Griffin's impact on the off-season FA/draft

There's a good chance IMO. He didn't play badly last year - he just needed more seasoning. Even more, a better guy will be hard to come by, since safeties are not growing on trees either in FA or the draft.

there's tons in FA. they're all just average players though:

Atari Bigby - 35 starts - last good year - 2007/2009
Erik Coleman - 81 starts - last good year -2004-2006, 2008-2009
Sean Considine - 28 starts - 2006
Deon Grant - 161 starts - 2011ish - consistant
Chris Hope - 109 starts - 2010
Jim Leonhard - 60 starts - 2010
Brandon Meriweather - 44 starts - 2010
Reggie Nelson - 64 starts - 2011
Brodney Pool - 67 starts - 2009
Bob Sanders - 48 starts - 2007 - WOW on the injuries... never there
Madieu Williams - 86 starts - 2010
Gibril Wilson - 81 starts - 2010


I believe all those guys have multiple years as a starter.
I'd try out merriweather, nelson, maybe grant, hope, or wilson. grab 2-3 and hope one works out. most of them will be stupid cheap.

levi brown is an oaf (not athletic enough) and he'll be too expensive. i think harris is the better option.

i agree that meachem and robinson (well, laurent robinson) would be great guys to have on opening day (and CHEAP compared to VJ).

don't get me wrong, VJ would be great if his production doesn't fall off a cliff during his next contract AND if his contract isn't so big that it precludes us from fixing our RT/CB holes which i think are bigger issues.

there's tons in FA. they're all just average players though:

Atari Bigby - 35 starts - last good year - 2007/2009
Erik Coleman - 81 starts - last good year -2004-2006, 2008-2009
Sean Considine - 28 starts - 2006
Deon Grant - 161 starts - 2011ish - consistant
Chris Hope - 109 starts - 2010
Jim Leonhard - 60 starts - 2010
Brandon Meriweather - 44 starts - 2010
Reggie Nelson - 64 starts - 2011
Brodney Pool - 67 starts - 2009
Bob Sanders - 48 starts - 2007 - WOW on the injuries... never there
Madieu Williams - 86 starts - 2010
Gibril Wilson - 81 starts - 2010


I believe all those guys have multiple years as a starter.
I'd try out merriweather, nelson, maybe grant, hope, or wilson. grab 2-3 and hope one works out. most of them will be stupid cheap.

I agree that there is a bunch of safeties. But the issue I mentioned concerned whether they really were all that good. The list you gave is an impressive list of "just a guy."

It may be that Shanny sees Gomes as potentially more than "just a guy."

Ryan Harris has come up several times in this and other threads, but he isn't a Free Agent.

we need a burner for RG3's bombs. and a safety, we are in a bad spot there when laron leaves, i dont trust gomes, and theres not many good safetys on the market. i think we need to draft one in the 3rd.

This draft has been noted by alot of people to be the weakest Safety draft in 10 years.

Moving back into the second round?

Uh oh....someone is going to get kicked in the nuts.

Uh oh....someone is going to get kicked in the nuts.

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BTW-Good post, I agree with a lot of what you wrote and understand and agree with many of your points.
But forgive how unseemly this post looks.
I though I should respond to the separate points you made to prevent them from being all jumbled together.

Well maybe that's where we differ. I don't think injuries and Grossman made a huge impact on our WR production last year, I just think we didn't have much talent there. You mentioned Gaffney who had a career season, you're right..at 31 years old. There's very limited upside there. I don't think he will match those numbers and really doubt he will ever exceed them.Grossman was dead last in the NFL throwing past 20 yards with a passer rating of 25.8.
Undoubted Rex had a negative effective on the production of the WRs.
Armstrong went from 19.8 YPC for close to 800 yards to virtually nothing.

I agree that there is limited upside to Gaffney, didn't imply that there was upside nor that he would match or exceed his numbers.
But, the fact remains that he was productive in this offense.


Moss's numbers were impacted by his injuries, true, but when he was healthy he wasn't explosive, didn't threaten defenses and dropped way too many passes. I just think he's pretty much done. He had a great 2010 but for what we are paying him, he needs to replicate those numbers and I don't think he's still capable to do so.Explosive is subjective, Moss has been used a lot in the slot therefore his deep chances have gone down.
Tana's 'drops' have always been overstated.

Just 2 years ago Tana was top 10 in catches then he breaks his hand and he's done? I just don't follow that logic.

Wouldn't you agree that breaking a hand is a major injury that has an adverse effect when your job is based on catching a ball?

I don't think Armstrong, Banks, Austin, Paul, Stallworth or Robinson are anything special. I'd like to keep Paul around because he may develop into a James Thrash type and Robinson for depth and maybe he develops into a deep threat. If we only returned Gaffney, Hankerson & Paul I would be perfectly ok with that.I'm not sure what you mean by special?
Armstrong proved that when healthy and playing with a QB that has a good deep ball can be a deep threat to the tune of 19.8 YPC I don't know but to me that's something.
19.8 YPC isn't a fluke.

I don't see how losing Moss improves the WR corps, especially for a team that uses and will likely use even more 3 and 4 wide sets.
Building a solid WR corps is essential in those packages.
Look at the Packers for example they still have Donald Driver as part of their WRs corps and I'm sure we can agree that Moss is currently better then Driver?
I don't see how losing Moss would do anything to improve the WRs as a unit.

In the red zone we have no targets from our WR corp.I disagree with this.
I think a more accurate statement is we don't target our WR much in the RZ.
But I clearly recall Armstrong catching a fade in the Giants game #1.
And I've seen Moss catch a quick slant or fadestop/comeback for TDs.

Hankerson is 'big' by our standards but he's barely 6'2, not a huge target and he's unproven. I think he will be a good player, perhaps very good but he will develop better with more threats around him.Hankerson just needs to develop, we don't know what he'll become and I think the team needs to find out.
And pushing him down the depth chart only makes his development more difficult.

I don't think we need a 'splash' player here.. I'd be thrilled with Garcon & Royal or Meachem. We've got enough other holes to fill we don't need to go crazy at this position but it does need significant focus.
Garcon had the benefit of being a 2nd or 3rd option in already potent passing offense and yet his production has yet to match Tana who's played in rather difficult circumstances by comparison.
I agree that Royal would be a nice addition to the WRs group.

I'd also be fine if we signed Jackson, but I don't think it would be our best use of the money.I would love it if we signed Jackson but not at the expense of significantly upgrading the RT spot.

-Don't be surprised to see us add a feature type back in FA or in the 3rd round. What about Helu?? Shanny has called him on a few occassions a nice change of pace back and he wasn't really drafted to be a 250-300 carry guy. He's not built for that..I think there is almost zero chance they go after a FA RB that seems completely counter to Mike/Bobby Turner's RB MO.
I do agree that at some point they will draft a RB as a value pick.
But I don't think it will mean anything negative about Helu or Royster; they just like to draft RBs.
I think Hightower, Helu and Royster can all run effectively in Bobby Turner's system.


-Don't be shocked if Fletcher doesn't return. He's looking to get PAID and we may be able to get close to his production and save about 10 years. It would suck to lose him but if the defense can get younger for the same price without a huge dropoff it's the smart thing to do.Oh, I'll be shocked if London doesn't return and I disagree he's looking to get paid.
He's a savvy player that understands his market value, he'll be looking for a fair deal.
I completely disagree that we'll be able to get close to Fletcher's production because 1 he's a beast and equally as important he's one of the few true leaders on the team and he's the leader of the teams best unit.

Im all for picking Vincent Jackson. with moss/gaffney/Hankerson behind him we should be fine. We just need to find a starting right tackle somehow and improve overall depth on the line and this offense could be great.

if we bring fletcher back than we have a top 10 defense to pair it with.Good post, tipping my cap.
You managed to sum up my points in 4 sentences.
I gotta stop drinking wine at dinner.

Are you sure wasn't he signed by the shegles then released.