Make your Case for non-HOFer

I like the bus ... but he'll wait a while and nit certain he makes it... in the voters wacky view

I can't speak to what era Monk played in, so I don't have much to compare him to. But if you look at his production, he has a career high of 8 tds and only five 1,0000 yd seasons. Doesn't look "great" to me, unless that was somehow good for WRs in his day.

Really the argument that seems to be going on here is cumulative career numbers vs impact of season by season. I'm of the camp that a player that plays at an elite level for around 7 years or so should be considered to the HOF. I don't believe that a player playing longer and thus upping his numbers should improve his status in the HOF at all. Bettis might be 6th on the all time rushing list (although he is 18th on yds from scrimmage), but he didn't have more than 4 good seasons in his entire career...and only 3 of them were with the steelers.
And Monk was the all time leading receiver upon his retirement.

Yes, the HOF is a look at your body of work, not just a portion of it.

Looking at the considerable backlog of well qualified players, I find it hard to say the Hall is just for the very good.

And Monk was the all time leading receiver upon his retirement.

Yes, the HOF is a look at your body of work, not just a portion of it.

so if I'm a WR who plays for 20 seasons and gets 800 yards every year, I deserve to be in the HOF?

I know that is how the hall works. I just don't think that makes a player great. Thats why I call it the Hall of the very good.

The backlog is there because very good players keep getting inducted, and very good players are on the backlog.

so if I'm a WR who plays for 20 seasons and gets 800 yards every year, I deserve to be in the HOF?

I know that is how the hall works. I just don't think that makes a player great. Thats why I call it the Hall of the very good.

The backlog is there because very good players keep getting inducted, and very good players are on the backlog.

The Hall represents a pretty small % of players, 267 are in the Hall now. When you consider how many players have come and gone, not sure how you can say these guys were just very good.

so if I'm a WR who plays for 20 seasons and gets 800 yards every year, I deserve to be in the HOF?

I know that is how the hall works. I just don't think that makes a player great. Thats why I call it the Hall of the very good.

The backlog is there because very good players keep getting inducted, and very good players are on the backlog.

What da ****??

You have any idea how hard it is to even make the NFL?

What da ****??

You have any idea how hard it is to even make the NFL?

LOL.

#ThingsyouneverexpectSStosay.

The Hall represents a pretty small % of players, 267 are in the Hall now. When you consider how many players have come and gone, not sure how you can say these guys were just very good.
Yea, what he said.

The Hall represents a pretty small % of players, 267 are in the Hall now. When you consider how many players have come and gone, not sure how you can say these guys were just very good.

I guess the issue is the standards we are talking about. I could list an incredible amount of players that I feel weren't "great" that made it. Maybe in your mind they were. There are even some players that are an absolute joke that made it.

Floyd Little, Lynn Swann, Marcus Allen, John Stallworth, and Bob Hayes at a glance.

Floyd Little-Inducted 2010, Played 9 seasons. Averaged 702 yards a season at 3.9 yards per carry and 4.7 touchdowns per season.
This guy getting inducted 2 years ago isn't a backlog of great players. Its a backlog of good players somehow bumping out better players.

All the players that should be in, but aren't will inevitably get in. They will just have to wait their turn as the backlog pushes them back.

What da ****??

You have any idea how hard it is to even make the NFL?

I fully appreciate just how hard it is to make it onto a COLLEGE team. Making it in the NFL is no small feat. They are all great players relative to the world. But greatness IN the NFL isn't judged by how good a player is relative to the world; its how good he is relative to the rest of the NFL.

When I say a player is very good, not great; I am not trying to insinuate he is not incredible at football; every player in the NFL is incredible. I'm saying that greatness is being elite among all the amazing players in the NFL.