Make your Case for non-HOFer

If you count everyone who has ever been paid to play in a game, its far less than 1%. That's a ridiculous concept though because where do you draw the line to make that percentage statement? You could say its anyone that has completed a full contract and gotten a second one. You could say its anyone who has ever started a game. You could say its anyone who has ever played football.

Any agreed upon percentage is also meaningless when determining greatness. What if I say the top 1% are great? What if I say the top 4% are great? how about the top 0.1%? What does that even mean? Numbers don't determine greatness, greatness determines the numbers; and whatever that number is, is what greatness is.
Your scholarship is great, but you are starting with flawed logic, not flawed math.

It is the professional football hall of fame. In actuality, it is the NFL Hall of Fame. That means you are looking at EVERYONE who played in the NFL and then selecting the greatest from that pool.

While I ain't no math major, I do realize to solve an equation, you must start with the correct formula.

2 things.

1. Every player with less than 10 years of experience aren't going to retire, that's just an absurd statement to make that won't happen. If the world ended that would also lessen the amount of HOFers in the NFL right now.

2. Even if all players with less than 10 years of experience were to retire, there is still no scenario under which all players should be taken into account. The formula stays the same....60 players just get subtracted at the end as the 10 years worth of players magically retire.

I really hate to pull this card, but I'm on a full scholarship right now because of math. Trust me, I'm right.

The bolded was my point. Of course such a thing won't happen but it is important as a thought experiment. If you think about that long enough, you will see that logically it means that you have to take ALL players into account in your math. And when you do this, your estimate will shrink significantly.

BTW I was a math major who scored 790/800 on the math section and 800/800 on the logic section of the GRE so I can match your "card."

The bolded was my point. Of course such a thing won't happen but it is important as a thought experiment. If you think about that long enough, you will see that logically it means that you have to take ALL players into account in your math. And when you do this, your estimate will shrink significantly.

BTW I was a math major who scored 790/800 on the math section and 800/800 on the logic section of the GRE so I can match your "card."

You don't include something that almost positively will not happen in a prediction. I said the end of the world part sarcastically. If you want conservancy, I already shrunk my estimate as the average HOF career of players drafted since 1980 is 14 years and my formula shrunk it to 12.

Still, even if there's a doomsday scenario, or any other scenario possible, I don't see any scenario under which all players are taken into account. Please write me up a formula to educate me.

Your scholarship is great, but you are starting with flawed logic, not flawed math.

It is the professional football hall of fame. In actuality, it is the NFL Hall of Fame. That means you are looking at EVERYONE who played in the NFL and then selecting the greatest from that pool.

While I ain't no math major, I do realize to solve an equation, you must start with the correct formula.

Lol, the obnoxious scholarship comment wasn't directed at you. My discussion with you is not about math (and I'm not a math major either, just had perfect math scores on sat, satII, and act, finished every high school math class by my sophomore year, and made alot of money very successfully tutoring math).

There's no equation when it comes to evaluating greatness. However many great players there are, is how many great players there are. The "percentage" is dictated by however many great players there are...the greatness of a player is not dictated by what "percentage" they fall in.

You don't include something that almost positively will not happen in a prediction. I said the end of the world part sarcastically. If you want conservancy, I already shrunk my estimate as the average HOF career of players drafted since 1980 is 14 years and my formula shrunk it to 12.

Still, even if there's a doomsday scenario, or any other scenario possible, I don't see any scenario under which all players are taken into account. Please write me up a formula to educate me.

But in your formula you are still presuming a 12 year career which is an unsupportable presumption.

I'm done with this issue. I can lead a horse to water and that's all.

But in your formula you are still presuming a 12 year career which is an unsupportable presumption.

I'm done with this issue. I can lead a horse to water and that's all.

Lol. How is it unsupportable? That's the average based on a very long history. We make predictions based on averages. Its a prediction. Is it certain? No. Is it probably accurate? Absolutely.

I'm still waiting on that formula that includes all players.

what percentage of nfl players have 12 year careers?

Make your case for why this thread should still be open

Make your case for why this thread should still be open

Because I enjoy feeling like I'm sitting in probabilities 101 instead of discussing my favorite team in a sport I enjoy watching?

what percentage of nfl players have 12 year careers?
HOF players? most. Of the players drafted since 1980 that made the hall. The average career length is 14 years.