Cousins Value Skyrockets,Jets Fans Want Him!!

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GWinSkins83
12-18-2012, 04:17 PM
If Jets offer Revis, 2nd, and 4th I'm jumping on it. You just flipped a 4th round pick for an Elite CB, another starter, and depth. Im sorry but if we had a good RT RG3 wouldn't have to scramble as much or run as much. An elite CB would help the defense which could take alot of pressure off of the offense and RG3. I believe Mike and Kyle can get and backup QB that can success for a game or 2 if needed. People y'all are talking like he is a franchise QB. And if he is a team will offer the picks or players and/or combination. Cousins was a 4th round pick for a reason. If we flip him then we won not loss. We can use a 4th on another QB.

JoeRedskin
12-18-2012, 04:30 PM
I do not think that the blame rests on Rex. If you consider the players that he has had to work with on the offensive side of the ball it could have been much worse. His defense has kept that team in contention until last night. If anything the GM should be in the hot seat. They got their best offensive weapon off of waivers from Seattle (Edwards). He wasn't even starting up there. The Jets problems are in personnel not coaching. Some blame can be pinned on the OC as well, but not Rex[.].

It is Rex's fault. All of it. Tannenbaum was Rex's lackey - he got the players Rex wanted. Rex tied himself to Sanchez and will now desperately kick him to the curb. Further, Rex hand picked his OC - Sparano - specifically b/c he ran the wildcat in Miami. Rex sparked the trade for Tebow. Rex named the ever-inspiring S. Holmes captain last year.

Bottom line, there is plenty of blame to be shared but Buddy Ryan's boy is the head f*** up - everyone else is just catching the sh** spraying off the fan.

Rex simply sucks as a head coach in the long term and his downfall was as inevitable as the tide receeding before the dawn. He was good for one or two years of success but then his "us against the world" BS caught up to him and now he has no one to blame but himself.

CRedskinsRule
12-18-2012, 05:02 PM
It is Rex's fault. All of it. Tannenbaum was Rex's lackey - he got the players Rex wanted. Rex tied himself to Sanchez and will now desperately kick him to the curb. Further, Rex hand picked his OC - Sparano - specifically b/c he ran the wildcat in Miami. Rex sparked the trade for Tebow. Rex named the ever-inspiring S. Holmes captain last year.

Bottom line, there is plenty of blame to be shared but Buddy Ryan's boy is the head f*** up - everyone else is just catching the sh** spraying off the fan.

Rex simply sucks as a head coach in the long term and his downfall was as inevitable as the tide receeding before the dawn. He was good for one or two years of success but then his "us against the world" BS caught up to him and now he has no one to blame but himself.

Sooooo I guess that you are not buying the RR plan.

CultBrennan59
12-18-2012, 05:04 PM
Justin Read Peter King's MMQB Tuesday edition, and even he mentioned Cousins and the Jets.

KLHJ2
12-18-2012, 05:18 PM
It is Rex's fault. All of it. Tannenbaum was Rex's lackey - he got the players Rex wanted. Rex tied himself to Sanchez and will now desperately kick him to the curb. Further, Rex hand picked his OC - Sparano - specifically b/c he ran the wildcat in Miami. Rex sparked the trade for Tebow. Rex named the ever-inspiring S. Holmes captain last year.

Bottom line, there is plenty of blame to be shared but Buddy Ryan's boy is the head f*** up - everyone else is just catching the sh** spraying off the fan.

Rex simply sucks as a head coach in the long term and his downfall was as inevitable as the tide receeding before the dawn. He was good for one or two years of success but then his "us against the world" BS caught up to him and now he has no one to blame but himself.

Did Rex tie himself to Sanchez because that ws his man or was it because that Sanchez is the best QB that they had?

Rex may have picked Sporanno because of the success that he had with the wildcat and the running game. That is the style of offense that he wanted to play, but you still need a QB when the run isn't working.

I think that the trade for Tebow was more to spark Sanchez than anything else. Sure he might have been beneficial in the Wildcat or some dysfunctional version of it, but was Rex really the driving force behind it? The answer can only be a yes or a no. If it is a "yes", then it proves that Rex didn't have much confidence in Sanchez in the first place. If it is a "no" then it proves that it was out of Rex's hands.

Sure there is plenty of blame to go around when the team is losing, but he had a couple of good years and two respectable years with the team, but nothing was done to improve the players on the team. Player decisions are the responsibility of the GM. If he wanted to tell Rex no, he had every right to. Ultimately Tannenbaum made terrible personnel decisions regardless of what influence Rex had on them.

Rex took his team to the playoffs with his "us against the world" attitude and they bought it. That is proof that he can motivate and coach regardless of our feelings about him. He took over a team that was third in the AFC East and has consistelty placed them second every season behind the Patriots. Rex is two wins away from his 4th consecutive season above .500. If the team does lose out it will be his first and only losing season. I do not quite see how he sucks as bad as you would suggest.

JoeRedskin
12-18-2012, 05:39 PM
You can make whatever excuses you want. When Rex was first hired, I predicted this career trajectory for him - initial success and flame out. (Seriously, I was spot on with this one, look it up ... it doesn't happen often). Rex's motivational style is great initially but wears thin fast.

Also, the yes/no question pose could also have the answer "Yes" with the basis being "Yes, I am the great Rex Ryan and I can make anything work b/c I am the most brilliant motivator in the history of coaching." Rex's hubris caused him to believe he could make Sanchez into a QB and successfully incorporate Tebow into the offense. Ooops.

Ultimately, he's a clown coach and always will be. He's got Shanahan's ego but not his acumen.

With all that said, I give you that Tannenbaum is a clown GM and bears more responsibility than I initially implied. From everything I have read, however, Tannenbaum and Rex were in this together with Rex providing the impetus.

Maybe I am wrong about Ryan, but I see nothing to dissuade me from the opinion I originally held of him. Rex has his fans who love his "in your face" style. I am not one of them - I think he is and always will be the clown coach seed that did not fall far from the thug coach tree his dad was.

JoeRedskin
12-18-2012, 05:40 PM
Sooooo I guess that you are not buying the RR plan.

Ummm, No.

44ever
12-18-2012, 05:55 PM
Anything less than a solid 1st round pick and Cousins stays put.

^.^.^

Meks
12-18-2012, 05:56 PM
I think at some point, either during next year or after, the team ASKS kirk what he wants to do ...

rbanerjee23
12-18-2012, 06:04 PM
I think at some point, either during next year or after, the team ASKS kirk what he wants to do ...

I completely agree -- Cousins is fully aware that this is RG3's team but he has the tools (or so it seems) to go start somewhere. He is wholly more competent than anyone on the roster in KC, Jacksonville, NYJ, Cleveland, and IMO Philly. I think if he wants to start, it would be wrong not to trade him. I just hope he wants to stay, learn a little more, and contribute towards a superbowl b/c he has been extremely impressive in mop-up duty behind RG3 (a lot of credit for which has to go to KS and MS)

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