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Mayor 12-27-2012, 02:14 PM I hate to say it, but in my mind if the Redskins dont' win this Sunday and win the Division, then I think Andrew Luck is ROY for taking his team to the playoffs. If The skins win however, RGIII will have won the NFC East for his team, which one-ups Luck. I know RGIII wins the "most effecient" award between the two of them and Russell Wilson has been right up there as well. But objectively you have to say going from 2-14 to the playoffs is just amazing for Indy and without Luck, it doesn't happen.
Yeah, had they not decided to cut ties and go the youth route with Luck they might have been stuck with Peyton Manning. :silly:
SmootSmack 12-27-2012, 02:14 PM Well you know part of being a great QB is making players around you better. So we shouldn't just look at it like well lucky for RG3 he's got Logan Paulsen...why not lucky for Pualsen he's got RG3
12thMan 12-27-2012, 02:15 PM Some stats. He's way behind in yards, attempts, completions, and slightly behind in TDs. Now granted, I would prefer RGIII's stats to Luck's so lets get that cleared up before any knuckleheads decide to read more into than what's said.
Bottom line is, Luck has less to work with than RGIII does, and is asked to do more than RGIII is. Would he be causing that many TOs if he had a running game like we do? Who knows. Does Luck have a Trent Williams or a Montgomery blocking for him? Not hardly. Our 3rd string TE(paulsen) has outperformed all of their TEs. (including Fleener)
Remember, that Colts defense is one that gave up 352 rushing yards the other week so it's not like that defense is carrying the team. It's not.
Reggie Wayne was balling this year. And they have a couple of Pro-Bowlers on defense, albeit on the down slope.
Some stats. He's way behind in yards, attempts, completions, and slightly behind in TDs. Now granted, I would prefer RGIII's stats to Luck's so lets get that cleared up before any knuckleheads decide to read more into than what's said.
Let's just say RG3's passing stats are vastly more efficient. Higher QB rating, completion %, QBR, only 5 INTs, etc. And you can add in his impressive rushing numbers as well.
I think RG3 keeps defensive coordinators up at night, Luck is good but I don't think opposing DC's have fits about having to face him like they do with Griffin.
Chico23231 12-27-2012, 02:18 PM i just think you keep it simple and look at expectations. RG3 is 2nd rated passer behind Aaron Rogers, that is just amazing. Noone thought he could throw the ball this effecient out of college.
Defensewins 12-27-2012, 02:23 PM Redskins are #1 in the NFL in yards per play with 6.3 yards per play. Higher than Denver and New England. NFL Football Stats - NFL Team Yards per Play on TeamRankings.com (http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/yards-per-play)
Redskins are #1 in the NFL in least amount of turnovers.
Redskins are #1 running team in the NFL.
RG3 is 2nd rated passer behind Aaron Rogers.
"RGIIi is more physically gifted player than Luck with a beautiful throwing motion and a knack for making good decisions on the football field – and he also just happens to have track-star speed."
The colts offense is not number at anything other than maybe turnovers
firstdown 12-27-2012, 02:33 PM Don't forget to ask him about question number 3.
rbanerjee23 12-27-2012, 02:35 PM I actually don't think it is that close -- to Smoot's point, a great QB makes those around him better. Logan Paulsen is a third string TE w/o RG3, Pierre Garcon was always a #2 but with RG3, is playing like a #1. Santana has played surprisingly well b/c of RG3. On top of that, the whole, "RG3 has Alfred Morris" argument doesn't really hold as much water either. Morris is a beast but when a linebacker has to forever spy your quarterback b/c of the play-action bootleg, it makes running the ball much easier.
As for the Andrew Luck has to throw more passes -- that still doesn't work b/c in terms of Passer Rating, QBR, Yards per Attempt etc. and all other metrics of efficiency, RG3 is ahead by a comfortable margin.
Daseal 12-27-2012, 02:43 PM 12th. Sounds like an awesome opportunity. I wouldn't bad mouth Luck. We've been lucky to see possibly the best rookie QB class ever. Both are great players that will be fun to watch for a long time.
A great resource is this indystar article that compares all rookies and their stats:
Test of Luck | Indianapolis Star | indystar.com (http://www.indystar.com/section/sports0301)
I suggest checking it out for the big differences between the two. Luck is asked to throw the rock a lot more than Griffin. Because of that teams are able to play better coverage. I think if we played a traditional NFL offense, like Luck, RG3 would see many more INTs. Also, fumble numbers may be important. RG3 has 12 fumbles (2 lost) and Luck has 10 (5 lost). So add an additional 3 turnovers to Luck.
I think Luck is a fantastic player, but really the change in DC is amazing. We haven't won for a long time. We've had 'hope' for the first few weeks of the year -- but the last time I was inspired going into week 17 was....... I don't even know.
Have fun and please let us know how it goes and find out if there's a way we can listen to the interview online!
Edit: Surprisingly RG3 only has 1 more rushing TD than Luck (6v5)
12thMan 12-27-2012, 02:43 PM FWIW, I don't like QBR. Kaepernick is two slots ahead of RG in total QBR. No thanks.
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