skinsfan69
03-15-2013, 02:06 PM
No he can't turn himself into a missile and use his helmet as a battering ram. He may use his shoulder or torso or whatever...just not his helmet....just like defenders can't either. Never made sense to me that defenders would get flagged repeatedly for it when ball-carriers didn't.
Again, you can't do that w/out lowering your head.
I'm guessing this is the type of play they want to get rid of
http://ww3.hdnux.com/photos/02/10/71/560718/3/628x471.jpg
It's possible to lower your shoulder while slightly turning your body in order to avoid your head being involved.
Alvin Walton
03-15-2013, 02:47 PM
I'm guessing this is the type of play they want to get rid of
http://ww3.hdnux.com/photos/02/10/71/560718/3/628x471.jpg
It's possible to lower your shoulder while slightly turning your body in order to avoid your head being involved.
No doubt those type of hits are dangerous.
In a one on one open field situation like in the picture I could see the rule being of some use but in traffic it will sap the game.
Lotus
03-15-2013, 02:53 PM
Again, you can't do that w/out lowering your head.
As we can tell from Fisher's quote, the issue is not the lowering of the head. The issue is using the helmet as a weapon. My reading is that you can lower your head as long as you don't do so to create a weapon.
skinsfan69
03-15-2013, 03:47 PM
The refs are going to have a real hard time w/ this. They can't even call the games now and throw enough flags as it is. As I said before, the league is trying to make a Hyena a house pet. It just can't be done.
skinsfan69
03-15-2013, 03:50 PM
I'm guessing this is the type of play they want to get rid of
http://ww3.hdnux.com/photos/02/10/71/560718/3/628x471.jpg
It's possible to lower your shoulder while slightly turning your body in order to avoid your head being involved.
I'm not sure I see any RB's dip their heads to this level. This is flat out dangerous on Duane Thomas' part....and even more dangerous on the defender. Both heads should be up where the face masks can be seen. But even then, the helmets will still colide.
FRPLG
03-15-2013, 03:52 PM
Again, you can't do that w/out lowering your head.
Again...you're allowed to do so.
FRPLG
03-15-2013, 03:54 PM
The refs are going to have a real hard time w/ this. They can't even call the games now and throw enough flags as it is. As I said before, the league is trying to make a Hyena a house pet. It just can't be done.
I don't disagree with you here. The the constant increase in complexity to the rules has to make it harder on the officials to do their job in general.
Defensewins
03-15-2013, 04:31 PM
I'm not sure I see any RB's dip their heads to this level. This is flat out dangerous on Duane Thomas' part....and even more dangerous on the defender. Both heads should be up where the face masks can be seen. But even then, the helmets will still colide.
LeSean McCoy of the Eagles in week 11 vs. Redskins last season got a bad concussion and missed 4 weeks when he lowered his head in a very similar move.
As soon as I saw this topic I thought about that play and wonder if it had anything to do with the creating of this rule. The LeSean McCoy Rule.
That was an ugly play and both players were lucky to not have a career ending injury.
LeSean McCoy injury: Eagles RB carted off after concussion - Bleeding Green Nation (http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2012/11/18/3663066/lesean-mccoy-injury-eagles-rb-carted-off-after-concussion)
Lotus
03-15-2013, 04:44 PM
The refs are going to have a real hard time w/ this. They can't even call the games now and throw enough flags as it is. As I said before, the league is trying to make a Hyena a house pet. It just can't be done.
With FRPLG, I agree with you on this. Judging intent is always dicey and difficult.