NC_Skins
01-22-2019, 06:18 PM
NFL OT isn't decided by the coin flip, it's decided by offense vs defense, and special teams. IF you want to win, stop the other team from going the length of the field and scoring a TD. If you can't you lose. Both teams had 60 minutes to definitively win the game.
You don't have to look farther then the game before that also went to OT. The Rams defense came up big against a powerhouse offense, and the Rams went on to win it. Coin flip simply starts OT.
In a way I agree, but as the game goes on, it favors the offense. A tired defense isn't going to stop a tired offense.
Time of Possession:
NE- 43:59
KC- 20:53
That coin flip means a lot in this situation.
punch it in
01-22-2019, 06:29 PM
In a way I agree, but as the game goes on, it favors the offense. A tired defense isn't going to stop a tired offense.
Time of Possession:
NE- 43:59
KC- 20:53
That coin flip means a lot in this situation.
Great point NC. It means a-lot in every situation ever which is why since the beginning of time we all cheer when our team wins it.
Come on guys. It completely plays a role. It is nothing like the coin toss in the beginning of a game.
punch it in
01-22-2019, 06:35 PM
I’ll make this simple for all of you arguing that the coin toss has nothing to do with the outcome of a game. Skins are in OT. Coin flip about to happen. Are you hoping they win? Say it doesn’t matter and you are lying. Lol. And you want to win it because it makes your path to victory easier. You either have to stop the other team and than score. Or just score. Seems like a freakin no brainer to me. I wanna win that meaningless coin flip every meaningless game.
Of course getting the ball first is what you want, but let’s stop oversimplifying the argument by saying the coin flip decides the game. The coin flip winner wins about 52% of the time so it’s not game over to lose the flip.
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punch it in
01-22-2019, 06:50 PM
Of course getting the ball first is what you want, but let’s stop oversimplifying the argument by saying the coin flip decides the game. The coin flip winner wins about 52% of the time so it’s not game over to lose the flip.
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Not saying it is the end all be all. But why not make a stupid coin toss absolutely meaningless and just give both teams a chance to score a TD?
punch it in
01-22-2019, 07:33 PM
The True Stats Of NFL Overtime
Stats on Overtime Coin Tosses (1974-2003)
The NFL has had 325 overtime games since the rule was adopted in 1974. The results:
Both teams have had possession 235 times (72.3%).
The team that has won the toss has won 169 times (52.0%).
The team that has lost the toss has won 141 times (43.4%).
223 games were decided by a field goal (68.6%).
86 games were decided by a TD (26.5%).
One game was decided by a safety (0.3%).
There have been 15 ties (4.6%).
It seems fair but these numbers are somewhat misleading because in 1994 a rule changed moved the kickoff back 5 yards to the 30 yard line (those numbers were based on data from 1973-2003). Since then, it's been about 60%. Prior to the rule change, the coin toss had no predictive value for deciding who would eventually win the game. Since 1994, the coin flip winner has a clear advantage.
TL;DR There is a fairly significant statistical advantage for the team that wins the toss. More than 25% of teams that lost the coin toss never touched the ball. Since 1994, the team that won the overtime coin toss won the game 34.4 percent of the time on the first possession and have won about 60% of the time total.
The True Stats Of NFL Overtime
Stats on Overtime Coin Tosses (1974-2003)
The NFL has had 325 overtime games since the rule was adopted in 1974. The results:
Both teams have had possession 235 times (72.3%).
The team that has won the toss has won 169 times (52.0%).
The team that has lost the toss has won 141 times (43.4%).
223 games were decided by a field goal (68.6%).
86 games were decided by a TD (26.5%).
One game was decided by a safety (0.3%).
There have been 15 ties (4.6%).
It seems fair but these numbers are somewhat misleading because in 1994 a rule changed moved the kickoff back 5 yards to the 30 yard line (those numbers were based on data from 1973-2003). Since then, it's been about 60%. Prior to the rule change, the coin toss had no predictive value for deciding who would eventually win the game. Since 1994, the coin flip winner has a clear advantage.
TL;DR There is a fairly significant statistical advantage for the team that wins the toss. More than 25% of teams that lost the coin toss never touched the ball. Since 1994, the team that won the overtime coin toss won the game 34.4 percent of the time on the first possession and have won about 60% of the time total.
Before 2012, a FG would end the game.
Check out the numbers since the TD overtime rule was implemented
https://mobile.twitter.com/SandoESPN/status/1087245109874298881
mooby
01-22-2019, 08:06 PM
Yeah why you are trotting out outdated stats Punch? First score wins was one-sided as fuck.
Not saying it is the end all be all. But why not make a stupid coin toss absolutely meaningless and just give both teams a chance to score a TD?
I’m actually fine with that for playoffs OT
I just don’t think it’s a pressing issue that is dying to be changed this red hot minute
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punch it in
01-22-2019, 08:14 PM
Yeah why you are trotting out outdated stats Punch? First score wins was one-sided as fuck.
The article was dated 2014, and regardless it is about the coin toss not being meaningless. If anything is outdated it is the 52% stat.
Also I do think this is better than the first “score”/fg wins it but i think it could be better yet.