QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020

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skinsfaninok
11-21-2019, 11:11 AM
Tua has had multiple injuries now, I am not sold that he can stay healthy so he's a no.

Burrow is great THIS YR but so was Haskins last yr so that's a wash IMO.

Joe is more accurate but Haskins has the better arm talent. Both are about the same on mobility.

There is no need to give up on Dwayne yet, I understand we wanted him to come in and light it up but he's got a shitty cast around him at WR in all honesty. Teams are doubling Terry now because they know he's the only legit option.

skinsfan69
11-21-2019, 12:43 PM
Again, drafting a QB makes zero sense. Tua, Burrow or whoever isn't going to come in and make this shitty team any better.

Draft Chase Young and trade Kerrigan for a 4th or 5th

Two questions. Would you agree or disagree that we are in a similar situation as the Cardinals were last year? Second, has Murray helped the Cardinals become a competitive team? I would say yes to both and that is why it makes sense.

Burrow and Tua (more so Tua w/ me) I feel are two guys that could come in and make a team like ours competitive. Right now we are not competitive. But like I said, I'm hoping that Haskins is that guy, but he just has a real long way to go and may never be that guy.

skinsfan69
11-21-2019, 12:49 PM
A bonafide stud franchise QB may be the only thing that can transcend the incompetence of this organization. You dont get many chances to pick from the cream of the crop QBs and if Burrow and/or Tua grade out high ... how can you pass up on that?

To take a Chase Young would be great but then you still need a FO that can build and hit on other pieces as well. We dont have a FO that can go 7/10 in personnel decisions. As we are seeing now, perhaps investing heavy in the front 4 doesnt allow you to carry a less invested secondary.

IDK .. i think a stub QB masks more problems than a stud pass rusher.

Bingo. You can take Chase Young out of the game, or neutralize him. A great pass rusher doesn't impact the game like a QB can. I'd like to have Young, no doubt, but give me a potentially great QB that can turn it around. Look at what Lamar Jackson is doing? Put Flacco back on Baltimore and they're just an average team, maybe a Wild Card and done. Insert Jackson and they're a SB contender. Jackson is what RG3 was supposed to be for us.

skinsfaninok
11-21-2019, 01:26 PM
Two questions. Would you agree or disagree that we are in a similar situation as the Cardinals were last year? Second, has Murray helped the Cardinals become a competitive team? I would say yes to both and that is why it makes sense.

Burrow and Tua (more so Tua w/ me) I feel are two guys that could come in and make a team like ours competitive. Right now we are not competitive. But like I said, I'm hoping that Haskins is that guy, but he just has a real long way to go and may never be that guy.

Murray is also in a very QB friendly system with quick reads and RPO action due to his speed, he would be screwed in our system since we do not use RPO's.

I'd rather have Haskins over Tua, seriously the dude is made of glass, yeah he's accurate but if you are injury prone that doesn't matter.

If a team wants Haskins for a 1st then sure lets do it but that won't happen. Keep him and see what he can do

EdmundDorf
11-21-2019, 01:33 PM
Two questions. Would you agree or disagree that we are in a similar situation as the Cardinals were last year? Second, has Murray helped the Cardinals become a competitive team? I would say yes to both and that is why it makes sense.

Burrow and Tua (more so Tua w/ me) I feel are two guys that could come in and make a team like ours competitive. Right now we are not competitive. But like I said, I'm hoping that Haskins is that guy, but he just has a real long way to go and may never be that guy.

Having a new head coach/offensive staff is also a major factor in the cardinals improvement

skinsfaninok
11-21-2019, 01:40 PM
Having a new head coach/offensive staff is also a major factor in the cardinals improvement

A coach that actually schemes up a legit offense... Not one that says "run the ball 70%"

skinsfan69
11-21-2019, 03:07 PM
Murray is also in a very QB friendly system with quick reads and RPO action due to his speed, he would be screwed in our system since we do not use RPO's.

I'd rather have Haskins over Tua, seriously the dude is made of glass, yeah he's accurate but if you are injury prone that doesn't matter.

If a team wants Haskins for a 1st then sure lets do it but that won't happen. Keep him and see what he can do

The injury concerns for Tua are fair and it most likely will have an effect on his draft status.

SunnySide
11-21-2019, 03:46 PM
The injury concerns for Tua are fair and it most likely will have an effect on his draft status.

You think? I kinda feel like a dislocated hip is so rare and more of a one off vs guice with bad knees/cartilage or chris samuels with the stenosis or reed w concussions etc.

I dont think Tua will ever dislocate a hip ever again but im just guessing and im no dr.

Schneed10
11-21-2019, 03:59 PM
You think? I kinda feel like a dislocated hip is so rare and more of a one off vs guice with bad knees/cartilage or chris samuels with the stenosis or reed w concussions etc.

I dont think Tua will ever dislocate a hip ever again but im just guessing and im no dr.

You are definitely not. This is the injury that ended Bo Jackson's career - Bo's hip was dislocated and the fracture was not as evident as he walked off the field, but he had one. Tua couldn't even stand.

Orthopaedic medicine and surgery has changed a lot since, but it's not a done deal that Tua will ever be the same physically. The hip socket and pelvic floor are areas of the body that don't get a lot of blood flow, so the ability to heal very much depends on the body's ability to get blood into the area. Bo experienced tissue necrosis in that part of his body - meaning spots of cells in the affected area actually died - because blood flow to the area was poor.

Some people are built differently. Tua may be lucky enough to have venous structures that get more blood to the area than Bo did. And Orthopaedic science has progressed, so they may be able to do some things to encourage that blood flow and healing process.

But his draft stock should very, very much be viewed as completely up in the air. He could recover fully and go on to play with no pain or lingering side effects. Or he could need to retire like Bo Jackson.

If I had the 2nd pick and Tua was on the board, there's NO WAY I'm taking him. Even if we didn't have Haskins. It's Joe Burrow or BPA at that spot. Tua's out of consideration.

Schneed10
11-21-2019, 04:02 PM
His surgeons are saying his prognosis is excellent and that he'll make a full recovery. I think it's a believe it when I see it thing.

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