Official Bench Ramsey / Start Brunell Thread

I am going to disagree with the notion that the O is smoother with Brunnell under center. Ramsey had just gotten settled into the game, was driving the team, had a touchdown called back because of phantom offensive pass interference and got clotheslined on a play that was ignored by the zebras. Brunell managed not to fuck things up. That's not the definition I want of our STARTING quarterback, that's a back-up, plain and simple.

Well seeing that's basically what his role was when he went into the game, it's good he didn't screw up. And it's not like Brunell is calling the plays anyway. But I still stick by my initial statement.

Bottom line Gibbs doesn't like Ramsey, but in part because he looks foolish with the Brunell trade, and the 43 mil we gave for a washed up backup at best and is dying to justify it, Gibbs wont tolerate turnovers? He sure did last year with Brunell for 8 games in which if Brunell just didn't allow the opposing defense to score we would have won 2 more games. Ramsey hangs in the pocket and tries to make play's, Brunell? Seem's to me all Brunell has to do, and all he does is try not to turn the ball over so he can be the apple of Gibbs eye, forget about marching the team downfield. I really would like to know what anyone saw in Brunell sunday to say that's our guy? 70yds passing in 2 1/2 quarters, you have to be kidding me! We had a whopping 3 fieldgoals.

I didn't see all the press confrence but Gibbs and the staff apparently didn't allow Patrick back in because of their concerns for his neck, I really hope Gibbs isn't useing this to get the teachers pet back on the field?

If we are to do anything this season Ramsey has to be the guy!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gibbs did a great job down the stretch as well, allowing the bears another opportunity instead of selling out to make a first down or 5 extra yards to put us in fieldgoal range in a 2 point game, IMO Gibbs is still coaching scared, and that fear is permeating both QB's, not just Ramsey.

I think i agree with most, leave ramsey in, he's got more big plays (but is inconsistant)... and be thankful brunell can serve as a good backup.

I'm not really happy with the level of play coming out of the QBs, I think brunell is on the decline and it takes a long time to figure out if a QB is any good (mcnabb and manning lost bunches of games), but I really don't know how much talent we have there right now total. Hopefully campbell learns how to read defenses so he can clear the issue up in the next two years, and hopefully ramsey can limit the turnovers until then.

The scheme is MUCH better this year, I didn't want to break my TV once this game, but I'd really like to leave ramsey in because brunell seems to refuse to try and attack opposing defenses.

Brunell did his job. He's a backup. I can't see why the media, fans, and even Joe Gibbs himself can't be satisfied with that. Ramsey had the first pick that was bad, no doubt, although I have no idea why there were two WRs practically side-by-side...you'll note if you watch the replay that it was actually Patten's defender who catches the overthrow, and I have to think David was supposed to run him off.

In any case, aside from the pick and a few early struggles, Ramsey looked pretty damn good, I thought. He looked very efficient, and even converted some 3rd and longs, which we simply NEVER did last season. He would have had a TD had Cooley not been called for a ridiculous PI, and he quite frankly outplayed Brunell easily. I still don't know why everyone thinks Brunell was a different player out there; I saw the same QB with better arm strength. He is simply not dynamic, and will not LEAD this team to victories. He may keep us from losing a few, but this team is not good enough to go into games TRYING NOT TO LOSE. We have to go into games cutting it loose, playing a bit recklessly at times even, not simply settling for safe 4 yard dumpoffs, and more importantly, not settling for the mindset that goes along with those 4 yarders. As much as I hate to say it, Gibbs needs to take a miniscule page from the Ol' Ball Coach's book and let Patrick go out there and "play a little pitch and catch." He excels in that sort of role, as we saw today, and it would open things up wide for Clinton and Ladell.

That's my two cents, anyway, and two cents is just about what it's worth.

12th man: RUNS better, as in OFFENSE running better, I don't think I understand your definition of offense running better, given that when Ramsey was in last year the team preceded to go 3-2 the remaining 5 games, whereas Brunell was incapable of getting anything going and is still relying on our running backs to do anything offense. In addition the Redskins are more versatile with Ramsey and the passing game in there. Furthermore, I am a little tired of fans always ready to bench or get rid of a guy that has not been given a true chance. RE: Trent Green, or Rich Gannon.

Where is your faith? If you were really supporting Ramsey "for the most part (ha ha)" you would opportune him a little more than a few series to prove his worth. In addition, he settled down after that few series yesterday. In my opinion, if you don't start Ramsey you will never know the full capability of a guy that we drafted in the first round a little over 3 years ago.

In addition, doesn't this all seem like a little deja vu to you 12th man .....

where would the commitment be to a guy that Gibbs promised would be the starter at the beginning of this season and in addition Ramsey did nothing for his job to be dramatically stripped from him in the second week of the season. Furthermore, Brunell did nothing yesterday to earn the starting quarterback role back given his performance yesterday.

Been reading the posts on this board for a couple months now and enjoy it very much.Ive been a redskins fan for manny many years.I live in CT.


Welcome sniks! You and gusbus! Wow! Two newbies! Just haven't seen both of you in the forum at the same time. Are you sure you aren't the same person? lol

Looking forward to future posts from both of you!

I have watched Ramsey over the past few years like everyone else. I was really excited when we drafted him. Big arm, tough! Gonna' take us to the next level in the model of Brett Farve! However, even with obvious chances to take the team, and establish himself as the uncontested starter, he has failed thus far. It's not my call to determine who should be the starter, and I want him to make it. The mistakes he makes REPEATEDLY are horrific and always at a catastrophic moment! We might argue, he has been jerked around by 18 different coaches and schemes, confidence shot, Gibbs doesn't like him, etc. Gibbs LOVES the QB who can PROVE he deserves it, like we all do. With all the confusion over the past couple of years that is responsible for Ramseys lack of confidence. so what? It doesn't matter. Just like the addiction commercial of a few years ago said " It's not your fault, but it is your problem". Such is the case for Ramsey. I have been a big fan of his and still am, however, at this time I am not sure he has it. Many QB's have made successful careers of doing what they know how to, and NOT killing their teams by doing the same drive KILLING stupid stuff. That may be the opening for Brunell. I did not see the game, but by the look of things, we have a running game. That with our D and a decent passing game, that sould be enough (Ala' Carolina). This may give us time to unf...k PR or move on with Jason. Just food for thought!!!!!!!!!!1