Basically, it all starts with Portis

sounds like you should get a job a GM, since everyone else (besides you) is obviously an idiot.


It's not like I would expect you to understand what I am talking about, there is a difference between a football man, and a football fan, I never called anyone an idiot, but if lack of understanding and insight on the breakdown of the game makes you feel like one, that's something you will have to deal with.

I get your point..................but, If he doesn't have any business being GM, it would tend to discount the accuracy of his argument.
In a perfect world some of these things may be true. However, when Gibbs and his team took the skins, as we all know, the team had been in COMPLETE disarray for some time. When you must make radical player changes immediately, and the timing is not of your choosing, you make the best deal you can. It may not be the deal you want. Being in a weak bargaining position, makes it impossible to drive a really good deal, so you do the best you can.
Additionally, it is real easy to blow up a speculative, foundationless commentary when the author has no skin on the table.


Relying on another posters ignorant comment as the basis to discredit a post you don't agree with is as baseless as it gets, why don't you go ahead and explain how we are better off for having all 4 of those players, all 4 of which I said we shouldn't either extend their contracts, or trade for, before their signings became reality, now my evaluation of these players are starting to become more and more apparent, and yet so long as they play for the skins they are somehow better than what they really are because their redskins.


You make it sound as if we were pigeonholed into the Portis trade, or the Brunell trade, or resigning Samuels, what about Lavar?

Portis- 50.mil
Lavar- 68mil
Samuels- 47mil
Brunell- 43mil

Thats 208 million dollar's between 4 players, I want to hear which individual believes that these are deal's that are, decent, or even liveable, those salaries are disgusting for what they bring to the table, DISGUSTING!

No 208 million minus those 4 wouldn't go towards vastly improving our team? NOOOOOOOOO?

Further more if you can't get the deal you want don't go out and break the bank to do so.

Were not the only team making mistakes. Here's a list of the top 25 player salaries in 2004.

Manning, Peyton (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=1448) $ 35,037,700 Indianapolis Colts (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2004&team=14)
2 Pennington, Chad (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=1796) $ 19,004,000 New York Jets (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2004&team=22)
3 Kearse, Jevon (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=1277) $ 16,536,500 Philadelphia Eagles (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2004&team=24)
4 Tomlinson, LaDainian (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=2317) $ 16,000,000 San Diego Chargers (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2004&team=26)
5 Wistrom, Grant (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=2546) $ 15,503,200 Seattle Seahawks (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2004&team=29)
6 Portis, Clinton (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=1849) $ 13,380,000 Washington Redskins (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2004&team=32)
7 Tait, John (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=2240) $ 13,085,000 Chicago Bears (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2004&team=5)
8 Vick, Michael (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=2367) $ 12,502,400 Atlanta Falcons (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2004&team=2)
9 Winfield, Antoine (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=2541) $ 12,500,000 Minnesota Vikings (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2004&team=18)
10 Arrington, LaVar (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=64) $ 11,835,000 Washington Redskins (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2004&team=32)
11 Walker, Gary (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=2681) $ 11,804,000 Houston Texans (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2004&team=13)
12 Clifton, Chad (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=415) $ 11,536,500 Green Bay Packers (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2004&team=12)
13 Woody, Damien (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=2565) $ 11,504,000 Detroit Lions (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2004&team=11)
14 McNabb, Donovan (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=1553) $ 11,002,300 Philadelphia Eagles (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2004&team=24)
15 Springs, Shawn (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=2161) $ 10,910,000 Washington Redskins (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2004&team=32)
16 Ogden, Jonathan (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=1730) $ 10,660,299 Baltimore Ravens (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2004&team=4)
17 Harrison, Marvin (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=979) $ 10,560,165 Indianapolis Colts (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2004&team=14)
18 Wade, Todd (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=2379) $ 10,539,800 Houston Texans (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2004&team=13)
19 McAlister, Chris (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=1484) $ 10,534,906 Baltimore Ravens (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2004&team=4)
20 Robertson, Dewayne (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=3035) $ 10,516,250 New York Jets (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2004&team=22)
21 Ogunleye, Adewale (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=1732) $ 10,455,000 Chicago Bears (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2004&team=5)
22 Rogers, Shaun (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=1949) $ 9,480,000 Detroit Lions (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2004&team=11)
23 Bulger, Marc (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=302) $ 9,459,200 St. Louis Rams (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2004&team=28)
24 Brunell, Mark (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=287) $ 9,364,300 Washington Redskins (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2004&team=32)
25 Gallery, Robert (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=3346) $ 9,300,016 Oakland Raiders (http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2004&team=23) http://images.usatoday.com/_common/_images/clear.gif

Portis- 50.mil
Lavar- 68mil
Samuels- 47mil
Brunell- 43mil

Thats 208 million dollar's between 4 players, I want to hear which individual believes that these are deal's that are, decent, or even liveable, those salaries are disgusting for what they bring to the table, DISGUSTING!

No 208 million minus those 4 wouldn't go towards vastly improving our team? NOOOOOOOOO?

So you're suggesting we could've taken all that money and done what with it? If Snyder had not spent the money on those players, he would've done the exact same thing, but with different players. So instead of paying our current stars, three of which are in the prime of their careers, we'd have 100 million plus locked up in the 2005 versions of Deion Sanders, Bruce Smith, and Jeff George.

Every team in the league pays big bucks to it's stars. If you want a team with a bunch of low payed nobodies, become an Arizona Cardinals fan.

Whats baffling about that list is that NE does not have one player in the top 25. Simply amazing how they handle there money and win superbowls.

I was just wondering if anyone else thinks this happens in other cities. Do you think San Diego fans go around and tear down Antonio Gates and LT? Do they scream for Rivers despite making the playoffs last year? Do you think Bears fan bitch about Urlacher? Cause I sure as hell don't. We're over .500 for the first time in a long time and we wanna cut everybody...pure genius. I have a question...was Portis overrated when we were 3 and 0? Did we waste money then?

We're over .500 for the first time in a long time and we wanna cut everybody...pure genius. I have a question...was Portis overrated when we were 3 and 0? Did we waste money then?

Nobody's talking about CUTTING Clinton Portis. Some have simply observed the he has not exactly had the game-changing impact that many expected when we gave up Champ Bailey and a second round pick to get him. Outside of that one run against the Buccaneers on opening day last year, he's accomplished about as much as any other running back could have done for far less.

It's just another cog in the wheel of recklessly charging after high priced free agents at a time when most of us thought that strategy would cease with the cool-headed nature of Joe Gibbs calling the shots. Instead, we pay for moves like this without any depth at critical spots along both lines, while bargaining away draft picks year after year.

When the Skins were 3-0, Clinton Portis had 4.17 yards per carry and zero touchdowns. In eight games against NFC East opponents as a Redskin, he's been good for 3.6 yards per carry. That's an average performance, jdlea. That's not calling for him to be cut, that's calling it like it is.

Maybe it's just me, but considering what we parted with to get him, I guess I just expected more at this point.

Apparently, I was asking WAY too much.

Relying on another posters ignorant comment as the basis to discredit a post you don't agree with is as baseless as it gets, why don't you go ahead and explain how we are better off for having all 4 of those players, all 4 of which I said we shouldn't either extend their contracts, or trade for, before their signings became reality, now my evaluation of these players are starting to become more and more apparent, and yet so long as they play for the skins they are somehow better than what they really are because their redskins.


You make it sound as if we were pigeonholed into the Portis trade, or the Brunell trade, or resigning Samuels, what about Lavar?

Portis- 50.mil
Lavar- 68mil
Samuels- 47mil
Brunell- 43mil

Thats 208 million dollar's between 4 players, I want to hear which individual believes that these are deal's that are, decent, or even liveable, those salaries are disgusting for what they bring to the table, DISGUSTING!

No 208 million minus those 4 wouldn't go towards vastly improving our team? NOOOOOOOOO?

Further more if you can't get the deal you want don't go out and break the bank to do so.

What you are trying to pass as an arguement is ABSURD! What NFL contract goes to completion without restructure? Who would you have replace Brunell, and for what price? Do you suggest he is not doing the job? What do you envision as a legitimate, realistic salary for a starting NFL QB? More importantly, WHAT could POSSIBLY make you BELIEVE YOUR opinion is anything more than that????? I ask this question because I CANNOT POSSIBLY imagine!

Whats baffling about that list is that NE does not have one player in the top 25. Simply amazing how they handle there money and win superbowls.

They have done what Joe is attempting to do.......build a winner for some time to come. Obviously, Belichick knows his stuff

CP needs to be in a scheme that is like denvers. Stretch plays which let him make one big cut and pick his holes. He is still running this way now after 2 years. CP doesn't get alot of yards after contact which Gibbs backs need to be able to do.