Greg Blache Defensive Scheme!!

[an23dy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

This argument is akin to saying something like, "if meteorologists are undeniably better predictors of weather than sportscasters, then how come it rained yesterday?" It's neither here nor there. Philadelphia was ranked ahead of us by every defensive measure, points, yards, etc, and they had to defend way, way more drives.

Per game yardage totals and points totals don't consider how often you faced an opponents drive, because the style of the offense (slow vs. fast) will affect how many drives a defense has to defend. Also, a defense that struggles to get off the field will have to face fewer drives. We actually weren't very good at getting three and outs, as much as we were at eventually forcing punts.

But it was a few things that put us behind the Tampa's and Chicago's of the world in defense last year, and I think turnovers are a big part of that. I don't have any doubt that they will improve in those phases this year, Blache-permitting. Interesting points, you make.

First of all, you can't say that it is not important that our defense outperformed their defense twice, on the field, head-to-head. Your point is completely arbitrary from the perspective you think that fact is meaningless. You're choosing which facts are relevant and which are not. 4th and 6th in yards and points respectively and 2nd in 3 and outs, good TOP, then you're doing things right, and you're just breaking it down into whatever stats you think are important. If you say the Steelers can't have the best defense because they are ranked 26th in penalty yards and 23rd in forced fumbles. I can base my arguments on whatever stats I choose as well. Let's say strength of schedule...what if the Saints played the Lions 16 times a year, their stats on defense would be better, but I wouldn't say they had a better defense than the Redskins last year. We had a tough schedule in the NFC East going up against good offenses, while the AFC North plays bad offenses and it inflates their stats.

[RedBar]

Also, I thought I heard talk about Blache possibly retiring after this year and sticking around for one more year. I don't know his contract or anything like that, but I hope he does retire after this year so we can get Gray. I expect the defense to be good this year which may keep Blache around, and if it does I expect Gray to be gone with another D-coordinator job.[/QUOTE]

and where have Gray's defenses been ranked over the last 20 or so years??? I bet you thought we should trade for Cutler too.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor

I believe that if we do not get a constant pass rush with Haynesworth in the middle and Orakpo I believe that Blache will be fired and that Aggressive Jerry Gray would take over. Jim Zorn has already stated that we need a big pass rush this season, which is probably the main reason we paid Haynesworth all that money. I'm tired of stopping the run first then pass rush. We need to stop the run on the way to the quarterback. I believe that Blache is holding the d-line back from making a lot of plays. It was like our defense was a bend but don't break defense which helped us to 4th overall defense which I believe is good but not a dominating one. I believe that this defense could be up there with the Pittsburghs, Baltimores and Titans. You win with Championship Defense. If the offense improves and we still do not get to the quarterback then we will be looking at 8-8 again folks. What do you guys think about Blache's scheme? Should he be fired if no improvements in the sack department?

Overall I think GB did a pretty good job considering the talent he had on the front 7. I'm not sure we'll be as good as Pittsburgh's defense cause they have two stud pass rushers and a better overall front 7 and a safety who dominates. I think we have better corners than Pittsburgh. Haynesworth is going to help but he's going to be double teamed on passing downs. Is Carter and Orakpo going be as dominating as Woodley and Harrison coming off the edge? Probably not. I still think we're going to have a very good defense but not quite at the level of Pittsburgh. I'd like to see Laundry take his game to a Pro Bowl level.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor

I believe that if we do not get a constant pass rush with Haynesworth in the middle and Orakpo I believe that Blache will be fired and that Aggressive Jerry Gray would take over. Jim Zorn has already stated that we need a big pass rush this season, which is probably the main reason we paid Haynesworth all that money. I'm tired of stopping the run first then pass rush. We need to stop the run on the way to the quarterback. I believe that Blache is holding the d-line back from making a lot of plays. It was like our defense was a bend but don't break defense which helped us to 4th overall defense which I believe is good but not a dominating one. I believe that this defense could be up there with the Pittsburghs, Baltimores and Titans. You win with Championship Defense. If the offense improves and we still do not get to the quarterback then we will be looking at 8-8 again folks. What do you guys think about Blache's scheme? Should he be fired if no improvements in the sack department?

I would love to have a sack-happy defense, too. But I disagree that if the offense improves but we don't get more sacks that we will end up 8-8. And Haynesworth and Orakpo may help to solve the sack problem without any change of scheme.

In terms of defense there are only three teams above us. To me, the #4 defense is already a championship defense. I can't imagine why we would want to fire the leader of such a defense.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I would love to have a sack-happy defense, too. But I disagree that if the offense improves but we don't get more sacks that we will end up 8-8. And Haynesworth and Orakpo may help to solve the sack problem without any change of scheme.

In terms of defense there are only three teams above us. To me, the #4 defense is already a championship defense. I can't imagine why we would want to fire the leader of such a defense.

I could be wrong, but I don't think there are that many balanced teams out there (offense/defense). As much as I hate them, I would say the Pats are one of them, I can't think of another one. Right now we have to make sure that our offense can compliment our strong defense. As much as I would want a Colts-styled offense, with the defense that we have, I would be happy with an offense that can put up a few more points, kill the clock at the end, and does not make many costly mistakes.

[mcludka]

Are you serious??? Imagine last year's D with an O that could score every once in awhile. We were in every game! Problem was, we ALWAYS relied on the D to win or save a win. This is the NFL- teams score! Our D should be able to produce more big plays this year. Why do we need this?? To help the O!!! Maybe a bit more focus on scoring and protecting the QB and GB could feel secure in fan's eyes...Sheesh!!

[skins89moss]

I think our defense will be more effective this year when the games count. If you can't get pressure on the QB when your leading the game in the final minutes with your front four then your doomed. Whats makes a defense great is putting pressure with just rushing 4. When you blitz you are taking a gamble that your blitzer will hurry the QB or sack him. When your leading and a team has to pass your defense should be able to put pressure with just 4 men rushing. If our defense can force turnovers early in the game and also in our opponets side of the field this will help our offense. Defensive turnovers are big momentum changers which can break a teams sprit.

[CRedskinsRule]

Any one remember the St. Louis game, (i do as it was the only one i was able to go to...) our offense may not have impressed, but with a minute left our D could not get to the qb and they through a long pass to set up the winning field goal. Our D gave up several 4th quarter leads, so even if it was the 4th ranked, it was not a championship quality D.
Hopefully, AH/Orakpo and a healthy Daniels, will change the dynamic and the 4th quarter leads won't evaporate this year. (also hopefully they will be bigger, and we will score over 30 a couple times). My friends remember, the offseason is all about hope.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Any one remember the St. Louis game, (i do as it was the only one i was able to go to...) our offense may not have impressed, but with a minute left our D could not get to the qb and they through a long pass to set up the winning field goal. Our D gave up several 4th quarter leads, so even if it was the 4th ranked, it was not a championship quality D.
Hopefully, AH/Orakpo and a healthy Daniels, will change the dynamic and the 4th quarter leads won't evaporate this year. (also hopefully they will be bigger, and we will score over 30 a couple times). My friends remember, the offseason is all about hope.

I remember us losing 19-17 and the offense turned a chip shot field goal or possibly a touchdown into 7 for them.

There is no way the St. Louis game falls on the defense.

How much of the losing 4th quarter leads falls on a D that never had a cushion. Your team could be up 13-10 into the 4th and then you give up a score. So you lose 17-13 because God knows your offense cannot answer. That is an indictment on the defense?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

I remember us losing 19-17 and the offense turned a chip shot field goal or possibly a touchdown into 7 for them.

There is no way the St. Louis game falls on the defense.

Whenever you take the lead with 1 minute to go, and you lose, it falls on the defense. I don't care what went before, at the 2 minute warning, if you have the lead, a CHAMPIONSHIP DEFENSE stops the opponent (um especially one with a new head coach and no wins at that time!)

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Whenever you take the lead with 1 minute to go, and you lose, it falls on the defense. I don't care what went before, at the 2 minute warning, if you have the lead, a CHAMPIONSHIP DEFENSE stops the opponent (um especially one with a new head coach and no wins at that time!)

I don't think anyone thought we had a CHAMPIONSHIP DEFENSE (whatever that is). We had an above average playoff calibre defense and a mickey mouse offense. That is why we were 8-8.

Now that I think about it, didn't part time Superhero L. Torrence give up the catch that set up the field goal?

Blache turned chicken s--- into chicken salad last year.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

I don't think anyone thought we had a CHAMPIONSHIP DEFENSE (whatever that is). We had an above average playoff calibre defense and a mickey mouse offense. That is why we were 8-8.

Now that I think about it, didn't part time Superhero L. Torrence give up the catch that set up the field goal?

Blache turned chicken s--- into chicken salad last year.

I would then change my sentence to read an above average playoff caliber defense, should hold a no win team to 0 points with one minute to go.

Yes Torrence gave that catch up, but at the time the pass rush was blamed because their qb should have been sitting facedown eating turf. But we had NO pass rush.

How do you say Blache started with chicken s***? We had the number 8 ranked D the previous year. Not really chicken s***.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

I don't think anyone thought we had a CHAMPIONSHIP DEFENSE (whatever that is). We had an above average playoff calibre defense and a mickey mouse offense. That is why we were 8-8.

Now that I think about it, didn't part time Superhero L. Torrence give up the catch that set up the field goal?

Blache turned chicken s--- into chicken salad last year.

Every cornerback in the league has given up a pass like that.

[an23dy]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Whenever you take the lead with 1 minute to go, and you lose, it falls on the defense. I don't care what went before, at the 2 minute warning, if you have the lead, a CHAMPIONSHIP DEFENSE stops the opponent (um especially one with a new head coach and no wins at that time!)

That happened to Baltimore against Tennessee, but I wouldn't say they didn't have a championship defense, and Tennessee's offense is by no means a powerhouse. Stuff happens.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Whenever you take the lead with 1 minute to go, and you lose, it falls on the defense. I don't care what went before, at the 2 minute warning, if you have the lead, a CHAMPIONSHIP DEFENSE stops the opponent (um especially one with a new head coach and no wins at that time!)

i agree with that 100% CRedskinsrule. You understand the game of football that a Championship defense will find a way to preserve the win in the final minutes with the lead. Last year our defense was good but not a Championship defense.