Campbell Comparables

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Exactly. Zero in the leadership department. A complete flushing out of the offense is what we need. Bye Bye JC!!!!

Until you are in the huddle, or around the team for a considerable amount ot time, assumptions like this are asinine.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

Until you are in the huddle, or around the team for a considerable amount ot time, assumptions like this are asinine.

I just assumed he was in the huddle. He sounded confident.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I just assumed he was in the huddle. He sounded confident.

Im confident he wont be around next season. Best of luck to JC, would like to see him win somewhere else in a stable, well run organization. He has worked too hard.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

Until you are in the huddle, or around the team for a considerable amount ot time, assumptions like this are asinine.

Dont need to be in a huddle to see. I see it in interviews, his demeanor on the field, and most important in the win-loss column.

Im not attacking his character, his seems to be a fine likeable person. Hell, I wanted him to succeed. Thats not the issue. Im thinking of the body of work and his ability to carry a team to a win, ability to lead a team a tough patch in a season, and make people around him better. You either got it or you dont. I dont think he has it.

I pretty sure the FO is convinced and will being persuing other options in the offseason like they did last offseason, so we are really debating nothing at this point.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Dont need to be in a huddle to see. I see it in interviews, his demeanor on the field, and most important in the win-loss column.

Im not attacking his character, his seems to be a fine likeable person. Hell, I wanted him to succeed. Thats not the issue. Im thinking of the body of work and his ability to carry a team to a win, ability to lead a team a tough patch in a season, and make people around him better. You either got it or you dont. I dont think he has it.

I pretty sure the FO is convinced and will being persuing other options in the offseason like they did last offseason, so we are really debating nothing at this point.

I think the implied assumption here is that you have to be as smart as you to be able to read between the lines like this, and all of us mindless drones that look at numbers just can't see what you can.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think the implied assumption here is that you have to be as smart as you to be able to read between the lines like this, and all of us mindless drones that look at numbers just can't see what you can.

Not really, i love the stats but just looking past that right now. He stats are what they are...not that great. Mindless drones?...Never

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Dont need to be in a huddle to see. I see it in interviews, his demeanor on the field, and most important in the win-loss column.

Im not attacking his character, his seems to be a fine likeable person. Hell, I wanted him to succeed. Thats not the issue. Im thinking of the body of work and his ability to carry a team to a win, ability to lead a team a tough patch in a season, and make people around him better. You either got it or you dont. I dont think he has it.

I pretty sure the FO is convinced and will being persuing other options in the offseason like they did last offseason, so we are really debating nothing at this point.

Sure you do. Coming to such a damning conclusion, you should have all the details. All of them. Otherwise, it's somewhat baseless.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

Sure you do. Coming to such a damning conclusion, you should have all the details. All of them. Otherwise, it's somewhat baseless.

Gotta disagree. I dont have all the details, hell nobody that post here does. Im just telling you how I see it, the body of work, watching him navigate through the ups and downs of the season and how he responds. He is not a rookie, he has been here awhile. In terms of baseless, then go to the stats...like I said prior, there not great.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Gotta disagree. I dont have all the details, hell nobody that post here does. Im just telling you how I see it, the body of work, watching him navigate through the ups and downs of the season and how he responds. He is not a rookie, he has been here awhile. In terms of baseless, then go to the stats...like I said prior, there not great.

But you're not seeing all of it, as you said.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

But you're not seeing all of it, as you said.

But what I am seeing is Tony Romo, Big Ben, Kurt Warner, Eli Manning lead teams who dont have the physical abilities JC has. JC has it all the physical tools. Mental side seems to be a different story. Now our line is bad....but not the entire time JC has been here. Even when he get times to throw he check down to fast, miss guys who are open, get happy feet, and get gun shy.
Eli, come on, no physical tools comparison, lead a Giants team to a superbowl win against a better team. IMO biggest superbowl upset all time. Led the team in a game winning drive. Led the team with ex players said he couldnt in the media capital of the world.
Warner washed up vet? Hell no, lead a team with a bad defense and average to bad Oline to the Superbowl. He cant throw the ball like he use to, leadership helped.
Romo, I hate this guy, but he is better than JC. Huge Playmaker, average oline, overrated defense.
Big Ben, Leader to the fullest. Throwing the ball he is kinda weak. Big playmaker, Bad Oline.

Now I dont know all the details, but these guys are better. Just some Campbell Comparables.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

But what I am seeing is Tony Romo, Big Ben, Kurt Warner, Eli Manning lead teams who dont have the physical abilities JC has. JC has it all the physical tools. Mental side seems to be a different story. Now our line is bad....but not the entire time JC has been here. Even when he get times to throw he check down to fast, miss guys who are open, get happy feet, and get gun shy.
Eli, come on, no physical tools comparison, lead a Giants team to a superbowl win against a better team. IMO biggest superbowl upset all time. Led the team in a game winning drive. Led the team with ex players said he couldnt in the media capital of the world.
Warner washed up vet? Hell no, lead a team with a bad defense and average to bad Oline to the Superbowl. He cant throw the ball like he use to, leadership helped.
Romo, I hate this guy, but he is better than JC. Huge Playmaker, average oline, overrated defense.
Big Ben, Leader to the fullest. Throwing the ball he is kinda weak. Big playmaker, Bad Oline.

Now I dont know all the details, but these guys are better. Just some Campbell Comparables.

Nothing wrong with going with your gut. How many times has an announcer say they think Big Ben is a top 5 qb yet statistics don't show it. Disagree on JC having all the physical tools tho. His release is slow and he is definitely a slow runner. I feel like Romo and Ben can make plays with their feet that JC normally struggles with.