McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...

[GusFrerotte]

I don't expect the Shanny to be here on Jan 1 2013. The off the field developments have been a total joke, and the on field developments aren't the best, with a few nice exceptions like Armstrong. Shanny and the FO should have known DM wasn't a good fit before the trade, so the whole drama should have been avoided altogether. We got our GM, but I think we were sold a total bad bill of goods with him. Our draft sucked bad. Hopefully they have a high learning curve and 2011 will be much better, if not, my prediction about Jan 1, 2013 will be a lock.

[juskins]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Redskins Insider - Donovan McNabb's agent blasts the Shanahans

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I was surprised there wasn't a thread on this yet.

I get what Fletcher Smith is doing. And I hear what Shanahan is saying. McNabb has said all the right things, but his agent works for him. If he didn't want Smith saying those things about KS and MS, Smith wouldn't have.

The Shanahans have blundered seriously this year. My way or the highway is okay to an extent, but you have to blend that kind of style with deft management of personalities (see New England. Same attitude, no leaks, no malcontents). And in that department, we have failed. They've acted like stubborn jerks at times this year, with ego prevailing.

I was hoping the Skins were finally being run by adults. I'm still not so sure. The dysfunction this year seems just as bad or worse as in year's past.

This is football, not some popularity sport. If Donovan leaves, so what? I would rather have a coach realize his weak spots on the team and take action. Let the coach set the theme, not the players, media or political correctness.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by juskins

Obviously, you are a Mike Shannahan fan. I would applaud any coach that displaces his starter because he does not feel the starter is getting the job done.

This is a game of making moves with your roster to better the team, not a game of being politically correct. If Donovan leaves at the end of this season, he will make roughly $3 Million big bucks. Please, bench me and let me move on.

Try reading a few of my posts. Thus far I'm on the fence with Shanahan, but never did I say McNabb didn't deserve to be benched. My issue is and has been all along the way Shanahan has explained his benchings, and how much we gave up to get McNabb.

And McNabb is a crybaby for letting his agent make that statement.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by juskins

This is football, not some popularity sport. If Donovan leaves, so what? I would rather have a coach realize his weak spots on the team and take action. Let the coach set the theme, not the players, media or political correctness.

How does this in any way relate to my post that you quoted?

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by juskins

This is football, not some popularity sport. If Donovan leaves, so what? I would rather have a coach realize his weak spots on the team and take action. Let the coach set the theme, not the players, media or political correctness.

If all you care about is bettering the team, how about your dear god Mike Shanahan utterly destroying the trade value of his players? And Andy Reid got rid of McNabb without this "burning the entire bridge" ****wittery between player and coach.

And seriously, you're a guy who believes that Allen really called the shots on McNabb and Shanahan just followed along because there was "no better option"? There is ALWAYS an option to simply give up a couple years to stockpile the roster with young guys to build a core, and then pounce on a young QB when the time is right.

Allen has always been a subordinate who just makes sure they don't violate the salary cap and the like. Gruden called the shots in Tampa with regards to talent picking, and Shanahan has been calling the shots for his entire in Denver, and he doesn't play second fiddle to anyone.

Lastly, McNabb's physical skillset ( at least in the past) does appear to fit what Shanahan wants out of his QB. He wants a mobile and a big armed QB because of his frequent use of play action bootlegs and deep balls.

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And separately, thanks for correcting me on the other post.

[Hamoskinz]

The NFL is sort of a mix of politics, hollywood, media and sports. The coaches cannot coach according to their own schemes gameplans etc... without the other parts trying to interfere with it.

If I was a coach, I would play the best players. McNabb wasn't getting it done, and I would have sat him disregard of his illustrious history with the Eagles.

If he didn't play within the scheme like tempo, feet placement, reads and all other stuff coaches look at, and the backup did those things better - I would do the same thing. F all the other BS like 'respect for a vet QB', I would want to evaluate the backup and see if he's worth more than dog poop, and apparently he is.

When a HC is afraid to rock the boat in order to improve this team, he should step down. I see alot of skins fan calling for a change in HC, I guess some people want us to go back to a team being run by players, media, fans, owner etc... - the old country club.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Or because he seems to bounce those balls to the WRs.

Well.....there's that

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Hamoskinz

The NFL is sort of a mix of politics, hollywood, media and sports. The coaches cannot coach according to their own schemes gameplans etc... without the other parts trying to interfere with it.

If I was a coach, I would play the best players. McNabb wasn't getting it done, and I would have sat him disregard of his illustrious history with the Eagles.

If he didn't play within the scheme like tempo, feet placement, reads and all other stuff coaches look at, and the backup did those things better - I would do the same thing. F all the other BS like 'respect for a vet QB', I would want to evaluate the backup and see if he's worth more than dog poop, and apparently he is.

When a HC is afraid to rock the boat in order to improve this team, he should step down. I see alot of skins fan calling for a change in HC, I guess some people want us to go back to a team being run by players, media, fans, owner etc... - the old country club.

The benching itself is not the problem, it's airing out the dirty laundry such as him will to have McNabb return as a backup.
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[Brody81]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

I don't expect the Shanny to be here on Jan 1 2013. The off the field developments have been a total joke, and the on field developments aren't the best, with a few nice exceptions like Armstrong. Shanny and the FO should have known DM wasn't a good fit before the trade, so the whole drama should have been avoided altogether. We got our GM, but I think we were sold a total bad bill of goods with him. Our draft sucked bad. Hopefully they have a high learning curve and 2011 will be much better, if not, my prediction about Jan 1, 2013 will be a lock.

You are a total idiot!!! Comments like this make me scratch my head.. Lets start over again with a new coach, and new system every couple of years because it works so well..

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Brody81

You are a total idiot!!! Comments like this make me scratch my head.. Lets start over again with a new coach, and new system every couple of years because it works so well..

He is predicting something. He's not proposing something. "I expect something to be so and so" means something different from "I want something to be so and so in the future".

[juskins]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Try reading a few of my posts. Thus far I'm on the fence with Shanahan, but never did I say McNabb didn't deserve to be benched. My issue is and has been all along the way Shanahan has explained his benchings, and how much we gave up to get McNabb.

And McNabb is a crybaby for letting his agent make that statement.

He's the Head Coach and can say and do what he sees fit. If you are on the fence, its because you are not looking at the overall picture regarding being competitive in this division. Most of the teams in the NFL are hard-nosed and coached accordingly. A player, I don't care who he is, does not make decisions regarding his play on the field, and is subjected to the decision making of the head coach who does have the say so to change things up if the head coach has an idea of what is needed to make his offense work.

An example of staying too long with a QB who was not that good was Jason Campbell. Every coach since Gibbs gave him a free ride.

[juskins]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

If all you care about is bettering the team, how about your dear god Mike Shanahan utterly destroying the trade value of his players? And Andy Reid got rid of McNabb without this "burning the entire bridge" ****wittery between player and coach.

And seriously, you're a guy who believes that Allen really called the shots on McNabb and Shanahan just followed along because there was "no better option"? There is ALWAYS an option to simply give up a couple years to stockpile the roster with young guys to build a core, and then pounce on a young QB when the time is right.

Allen has always been a subordinate who just makes sure they don't violate the salary cap and the like. Gruden called the shots in Tampa with regards to talent picking, and Shanahan has been calling the shots for his entire in Denver, and he doesn't play second fiddle to anyone.

Lastly, McNabb's physical skillset ( at least in the past) does appear to fit what Shanahan wants out of his QB. He wants a mobile and a big armed QB because of his frequent use of play action bootlegs and deep balls.

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And separately, thanks for correcting me on the other post.

At the time of the McNabb trade, we all thought that he was a vast improvement over Campbell. Kyle knows how his play calling should be executed. In my opinion, Donovan is not always in the game. If he can run this offense but on occasions his head and body are elsewhere, then he is not the guy to run it. He may not be hungry enough. There are NO excuses for him. He should know better. Either come in and compete or let us find the right fix. This has nothing to do with GM vs HC. It's about winning and being competitive!

[Defensewins]

I have lost some respect for Shanahan. All of the leaks in the press really irks me and is not very classy. A coach is a leader of men, he is supposed to motivate them, not treat them like like shit and throw them under the bus because the theam has a losing record. When your leader is a bitch in the press, and leaking things even before the player is informed is weak. Makes me want to kick him in the baby maker.
Shanahan is protecting his son. He is inflexible and stubborn to a fault. He will never admit any mistakes or wrong doing. I can not respect someone like that. I do not care how many Sb's he won with Elway.
FRPLG said early on this thread that McNabb is not deserving or respect because he played well in Philadelphia not Washington. Well the same has to apply to Shanahan.
I want continuity and I do not want Shanahan replaced or fired. But I want him to be a good leader and not be a weasel.
I do however want Haslett and last ranked defense gone. The guy has never impressed me and I want a coach that brings more to the table.

[juskins]

Originally Posted by GMScud

How does this in any way relate to my post that you quoted?

Head coaches and the teams they coach need one voice to make the calls that previous coaches lost their jobs because they went along with business as usual.

Your reference about NE being a good example of knowing how to mix kind words and deeds in handling these types of situations, reminds me of players in the past who played for NE complaining that they were lied to by the HC, recently, Randy Moss.

[juskins]

Originally Posted by GMScud

As to the first point- sure he's had successes and failures. What coach/GM hasn't? My point is, to have his first big move as our HC/Personnel man be such a failure at such a high price at the most important position... well, pretty darn bad start.

As to the second point, is anyone saying he can't get it done? He just hasn't gotten off on the right foot.

Your first point is negated by the fact that it doesn't matter how he handled it. Maybe it was said as a pay back for the way Donovan has played. I, along with you and others, have no idea what may have been said in private conversations between the two of them. After all, the man has seen good and bad QBs and some that try to pull the wool over Shannahan's eyes. I think McNabb falls in the latter. What high price are you referring to?

This offense is about urgency and not about falling asleep.

Your second point makes no sense to me. Who gives a damn about how he says it - just say it! It's obvious to me that Donovan is not taking his audition seriously.