By Popular Demand. Should the Skins FIRE Jay Gruden? Thread

[MTK]

If we lose these last 3 games and aren’t competitive I can understand JG being on the hot seat.

Otherwise bring him back.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by MTK

If we lose these last 3 games and aren’t competitive I can understand JG being on the hot seat.

Otherwise bring him back.

Let's think through this for a second.

His squad goes out and lays two complete eggs in a row against Dallas and the Chargers. The last three games they look much more competitive, and go 1-2 or 2-1.

Are you willing to overlook the two eggs laid against Dallas and the Chargers? If so, I'm curious why.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Let's think through this for a second.



His squad goes out and lays two complete eggs in a row against Dallas and the Chargers. The last three games they look much more competitive, and go 1-2 or 2-1.



Are you willing to overlook the two eggs laid against Dallas and the Chargers? If so, I'm curious why.

Because laying two eggs late in the season won’t overshadow all the injuries and the fact we were generally more competitive than not all year.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by MTK

Because laying two eggs late in the season won’t overshadow all the injuries and the fact we were generally more competitive than not all year.

Agreed. I'm really pissed at Jay for quitting in the Chargers game and admitting to it.

However let's not forget about the Seahawks game, the Saints game, the Chiefs game, the Rams game etc...

The previous 2 seasons and this team being competitive through all the injuries (until 2 weeks ago that is) are enough to give him another shot: he's not perfect but he may very well be a lot better than who we'd end up with if he's fired.

As Irish said above, this place isn't especially appealing to a good HC right now... And canning the only coach who came close to building something good in the last 20 years or so wouldn't help improve the image of this organisation in the eyes of a competent candidate.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by MTK

Because laying two eggs late in the season won’t overshadow all the injuries and the fact we were generally more competitive than not all year.

Yet these two eggs are coming at a time when we're healthier than we were against New Orleans and Seattle.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yet these two eggs are coming at a time when we're healthier than we were against New Orleans and Seattle.

You sure about that? The IR list has only continued to grow week to week

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...7_injuries.htm

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yet these two eggs are coming at a time when we're healthier than we were against New Orleans and Seattle.

This team isn't healthier. You can tell by how gassed the defense gets after one half of a football game. That comes from having nobody to rotate in. The offense isn't healthier. We have one running back. Half of the offensive line out on IR, and the guys playing are all playing hurt. Our back ups to the backups to the other backups continue to get hurt. Our best receiver is Ryan Grant. He shouldn't be anywhere near a starting lineup. How Gruden was able to keep this team competitive up until the last two weeks has been nothing short of amazing. He's literally fielding a team of third stringers and practice squad guys. Kirk Cousins has been the only constant starter throughout the season.

If anything, those two eggs are indicative to the fact that this team has ran out of juice, physically. The players who have check out mentally, the ones Swearinger was calling out, is an indictment on Bruce Allen, not Jay Gruden. I believe Gruden is doing everything he can do to get the players ready, but if they're still asking questions about assignments 5 minutes before the game, that is a sign that A) The coach has nobody else to put in and B) the front office has done a lousy job at player acquisition.

I don't care who the coach is, as long as you have the wrong people in charge with bringing in guys to complete the roster, the head coach will never be truly successful, save for a mirage of a good season sprinkled in here or there. The first guy that needs to be looked at it Bruce Allen. His handling of the Kirk Cousins contract talks, the RGIII situation, his handling of Scot McCloughan's firing, his overall poor winning % under his direction (GMs share in the win/loss ratio as well), his inability to bring in solid mid-season acquisitions to give the team a fighting chance, and his inability to find solid contributors in the lower rounds of the draft. There is more than enough to boot Allen to the curb. And if you think Gruden has been a failure, then that also reflects on Bruce Allen's inability to hire the right guy for the job. It's been one big cluster under Allen, and that's the first place I look at if I'm Dan Snyder.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by MTK

If we lose these last 3 games and aren’t competitive I can understand JG being on the hot seat.

Otherwise bring him back.

We'll see how the team responds the next 3 games, if we win out and go 8-8 I agree give him one more shot, if we stink it up and go 6-10 or 5-11 he's gone.

[skinsfaninok]

"We have to study the film after practice like we do," Gruden said. "We're putting the plans in, we're studying, we're practicing, we're watching the tape and they should be prepared, but for whatever reason, it doesn't look that way."

[Buffalo Bob]

There are few things in life where no second chance is deserved as far as I am concerned. Giving up like Gruden did is one of those.

49er coach Steve Mariucci pulled a similar stunt, down 28-6 with a 2nd & 1 at his own 40 with two timeouts and :50 left he let the clock run down and then had Jeff Garcia take a knee before halftime. That was in a play-off game in the 2002 season. I was in a sports bar packed with 49er fans, they were angry as hell, Mariucci got himself immediately fired and the 49ers didn't even have a replacement in mind, they just wanted his sorry ass gone for that stunt.

I feel the same way, I don't want to see Gruden on the Redskin sideline anymore or listen to him talk, he did a pathetic unforgivable act.

[Schneed10]

Ultimately, my big concern is Jay doesn't have the organizational skills to tie all of his coaches together and get them working in a unified fashion to implement his vision.

Bill Callahan schemes the run game and Jay handles the passing game. I don't think they play well off one another. They don't run and pass out of the same formations, certain formations are nearly 100% runs and others are nearly 100% passes.

Our pass blocking is strong so the passing game usually clicks. Our running game gets stuffed, and I think it's because the D knows when its coming.

It's awkward. He misses McVay, who tied it all together a little better. We can do better than Gruden.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Ultimately, my big concern is Jay doesn't have the organizational skills to tie all of his coaches together and get them working in a unified fashion to implement his vision.

Bill Callahan schemes the run game and Jay handles the passing game. I don't think they play well off one another. They don't run and pass out of the same formations, certain formations are nearly 100% runs and others are nearly 100% passes.

Our pass blocking is strong so the passing game usually clicks. Our running game gets stuffed, and I think it's because the D knows when its coming.

It's awkward. He misses McVay, who tied it all together a little better. We can do better than Gruden.

Really? Like who? No experienced head coach would come here unless they are desperate for a job. Hiring another coordinator as a head coach means another 2-4 years of on the job head coach training. At this point Gruden is the best fit for this team.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by irish

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Really? Like who? No experienced head coach would come here unless they are desperate for a job. Hiring another coordinator as a head coach means another 2-4 years of on the job head coach training. At this point Gruden is the best fit for this team.

Ultimately that is resigning yourself to being the new Cleveland Browns.

I didn't say Allen also shouldn't go. It should be a cleaned house. Allen doesn't know how to run a football operation, and Gruden doesn't know how to organize a staff to implement a strategic vision.

Start over.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Ultimately that is resigning yourself to being the new Cleveland Browns.

I didn't say Allen also shouldn't go. It should be a cleaned house. Allen doesn't know how to run a football operation, and Gruden doesn't know how to organize a staff to implement a strategic vision.

Start over.

Start over again? This is how many start overs in the last 15 years? IMO starting over is cutting off your nose to spite your face with no guarantee that starting over will provide better results. It seems that starting over is the one thing this organization does well so I understand why its always the first choice of the organization and a lot of it's fans.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Ultimately, my big concern is Jay doesn't have the organizational skills to tie all of his coaches together and get them working in a unified fashion to implement his vision.

Bill Callahan schemes the run game and Jay handles the passing game. I don't think they play well off one another. They don't run and pass out of the same formations, certain formations are nearly 100% runs and others are nearly 100% passes.

Our pass blocking is strong so the passing game usually clicks. Our running game gets stuffed, and I think it's because the D knows when its coming.

It's awkward. He misses McVay, who tied it all together a little better. We can do better than Gruden.

Running is severely lacking and affects every aspect of the game...simply put, we need better talent at running and a change in the interior Oline...Spencer Long/Lauavo/Chase Roullier have been HORRIFIC run blocking. Im shocked people would want Long and Lauavo back.