Redskins Win In Appeals Court

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

Thats kinda the problem. Just like the N word is a racist remark towards blacks the word Redskin is a racist remark towards Indians. If you were a Indian living in Washington DC are you telling me you wouldnt be offended at Redskin fans wearing t-shirts and caps that say Redskins? It would be like a Africian-American living in DC and seeing the N word on t-shirts and hats.

I know not all Indians care about the name but I can understand the other point of view of the Indians that do.

The Redskins are a private entity. Things don't have to change just because it offends some people. If the Redskins were a government body then by all means have at it and change anything you like to suit everybody.

Being a private company the Redskins aren't obligated to please every person. It's obviously is not hurting them financially because FedEx is sold out until 3026.

If the American Indians have such a problem with the name then please don't give the Redskins any patronage, including bringing attention to the team with various lawsuits.

The word "Redskin" only gets said more when your lawsuits are broadcast on national television.

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

The Redskins are a private entity. Things don't have to change just because it offends some people. If the Redskins were a government body then by all means have at it and change anything you like to suit everybody.

Being a private company the Redskins aren't obligated to please every person. It's obviously is not hurting them financially because FedEx is sold out until 3026.

If the American Indians have such a problem with the name then please don't give the Redskins any patronage, including bringing attention to the team with various lawsuits.

The word "Redskin" only gets said more when your lawsuits are broadcast on national television.

Yeah I can see your point. I think both sides have valid points. The Redskins havent done anything that would be considered racist since GPM owned the team. The Redskins organization honors Indians imo and means no disrespect. On the other hand I do see what Indians are saying about the team name, logo, etc.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

The Redskins are a private entity. Things don't have to change just because it offends some people. If the Redskins were a government body then by all means have at it and change anything you like to suit everybody.

Being a private company the Redskins aren't obligated to please every person. It's obviously is not hurting them financially because FedEx is sold out until 3026.

If the American Indians have such a problem with the name then please don't give the Redskins any patronage, including bringing attention to the team with various lawsuits.

The word "Redskin" only gets said more when your lawsuits are broadcast on national television.

There is a law about using trade names that are offensive and thats what they are going after. The law says something like if a trade name is offensive then they will not approve and protect the trade name. So if they win that battle then anyone could use the Redskins name as it would no longer be protected by the goverment. So even if the skins lost the case Dan could still use the name and logo stuff but that would not be smart because so could anyone else who want to sell skins stuff.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

Thats kinda the problem. Just like the N word is a racist remark towards blacks the word Redskin is a racist remark towards Indians. If you were a Indian living in Washington DC are you telling me you wouldnt be offended at Redskin fans wearing t-shirts and caps that say Redskins? It would be like a Africian-American living in DC and seeing the N word on t-shirts and hats.

Now when I say this im just giving a different point of view. I know Redskin fans respect and honor Indians. We all wear our Burgundy & Gold in pride. Im happy we won another case that lets us keep the name Redskins, logo, etc. Im just giving a different point of view from the other side. If I was a Indian I would probably be offended in todays society seeing the word Redskins as a team of a US Pro Football Franchise.

I know not all Indians care about the name but I can understand the other point of view of the Indians that do.

To be quite honest with you I live in the outskirts and see "African Americans" as you put it walking around with T-shirts with the "N" word on it. Frankly what upsets me more is the "African Americans" who walk around calling each other the "N" word. The word is either offensive or not offensive and either everyone can say it or no one should. Being white I take pride in telling those individuals that the word offends me and to please stop using it.

Originally Posted by SBXVII

To be quite honest with you I live in the outskirts and see "African Americans" as you put it walking around with T-shirts with the "N" word on it. Frankly what upsets me more is the "African Americans" who walk around calling each other the "N" word. The word is either offensive or not offensive and either everyone can say it or no one should. Being white I take pride in telling those individuals that the word offends me and to please stop using it.

Just like some Indians have no problem with the word Redskins some African Americans have no problem with the N word. I do understand your point and agree for the most part. I also understand the point of view from Indians who say the word Redskins is racist just like Africian Americans see the N word as racist.

[Missin21]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

I know not all Indians care about the name but I can understand the other point of view of the Indians that do.

Native Americans don't like the word "Indian" either, if you are going to go that way. They would argue that they are NOT FROM India, but rather were natives to this country long before the white men even started showing up. In fact, most Native Americans derive from the Inuits & groups of eskimo vagabonds & nomads that traveled south looking for warmer climates & better hunting grounds. So, calling them Indians is JUST AS offensive.

Now, that being said, there are few NAs that are actually offended by NA logos, symbols, team names, & mascots for the simple fact that they KNOW that once these NA remembrances are wiped out, so, too, will they be from our history books. What we remember now is so little as a society, there are people all over this country that aren't even aware of their current existence or the fact that they live on Reservations or even what a Tee Pee is. What is taught in schools today about the Native Americans is sad to say the least.

What the white man did to these people is absolutely horrific & we don't exactly set apart a day to celebrate their existence in our world. We have a whole month to celebrate our black brothers & sisters & NOT ONE DAY for NAs. If you say Thanksgiving...that is a joke. Thanksgiving Day was basically the white men saying to the NAs, "Step into my parlor said the spider to the fly". It was a way for us to trick them into giving or selling their lands.

As far as I'm concerned, it's not as if the logos or mascots or team names make these people look foolish. As if the logos are of NAs drinking whiskey & selling cigars. The mascots don't run around in each event & act as though they are being slaughtered (although, that would be more historically accurate). Most of these logos & names are respectful & often times portray them as fierce warriors who would not go down without a fight & were willing to die for their causes.

If they start actually removing these names & logos, to me it will be the final step in removing them altogether from our history. Eventually, the argument will arise (if it hasn't already) that the people who dress up as NAs for the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade are offensive & we should stop portraying them altogether because it is "disrespectful."

For the most part, these lawsuits are not even headed up by NAs but white people believing they are doing the right thing by trying to remove offensive logos & team names, when in reality they are trying to further destroy a culture that has been increasingly lost in our world today. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

[Rajmahal33]

I think that it's pretty funny that the very term "Indians" itself is a misnomer that we can thank European colonists for. I, being an Indian indian, could go on this crusade to stop the term Indian from being misused to label Native Americans. But is it really worth it? What is that going to achieve?

It's not about what divides us but what unites everyone that these minority advocacy groups should be focusing in on. Ultimately, it should be about moving forward and gaining sympathy for your cause.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by bigm29

Same applies to the N word. who really cares... get over it

There's a LOT of history tied to this word.. Without derailing the thread, it's comparing apples to oranges. Redskin was never universally used as a derogatory term used to oppress a race of people. Not the same thing.

[nyredskinsfan]

Originally Posted by steveo395

Why do people keep suing the Redskins for their name? Who really cares. Is it really going to make these peoples lives any better if there is no team named the Redskins anymore? If somebody really gets offended that easily I think they have bigger problems.

You forget about the nobel cause factor. Some people have to have something to bitch about, so they find some nobel cause. It doesn't matter that it's a small number of people that are bothered by the name and it doesn't matter that the number of Native Americans (Indians, OMG!!!) who actually SAY they take offfense is miniscule.

[CRedskinsRule]

I imagine there is some financial incentive in these lawsuits. If they do show damages, they might receive some sort of settlement? no? I don't know, just wondering.

[redsk1]

Washington Warriors.

Just doesn't sound right.

[Monksdown]

If we are forced to change the name in the future. Whomever filed the lawsuit can just sell their casino and send Dan a $1.2 Billion check.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by redsk1

Washington Warriors.

Just doesn't sound right.

How bout , Washington Indians..?

[Zerohero]

Originally Posted by Giantone

How bout , Washington Indians..?

How bout lot of Native Americans like having teams named after some type of Indian reference. Last game i was at in Arizona i lost count of Native Americans with redskin jerseys. All this legislation is from a small group and while i cant say for sure in this case, is normally based on money and not honor.

In all seriousness, with the horrible history of their treatment back in the day, don't hold your breath with these lawsuits. I guess what i'm saying is a lot has to be done before we worry bout the names of our sports teams.

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by Giantone

How bout , Washington Indians..?

Can we also take Chief Wahoo from Cleveland too?!?!