Redskins Win In Appeals Court

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by Giantone

YouTube - Redskins-A 500 Year Hate Crime (quick preview)

Your "YouTube" video does not count as research. Anyone can put whatever they want on there and try to call it factual. There is no substance to that video what so ever. Try again...

[DBUCHANON101]

I couldnt imagine how i would feel if we had to change our team name and logo.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Giantone

NO, not close!
To many Native Americans ...the word Redskin ...has the same connotation as the "N" word does for African Americans ,to them it's not trivial.........not by a long shot!

In our ultra-sensitive world it is natural to assume this, but take the Florida Seminoles for example. Same type of thing. AND many whites get all crazy about sueing them to change, /trivializing, and degrading Native Americans, etcs.
Last year I heard one of the heads of the Seminole Nation answer questions on the matter. Although the white interviewer tried.....desperately to enrage the Seminole leader on the issue. The NA's response was "I personally am proud to have our name thought of in such high regard. I consider it a complement that so many non NA's would consider it so"
Oh well.............

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

Thats kinda the problem. Just like the N word is a racist remark towards blacks the word Redskin is a racist remark towards Indians. If you were a Indian living in Washington DC are you telling me you wouldnt be offended at Redskin fans wearing t-shirts and caps that say Redskins? It would be like a Africian-American living in DC and seeing the N word on t-shirts and hats.

I know not all Indians care about the name but I can understand the other point of view of the Indians that do.

The Redskins are a private entity. Things don't have to change just because it offends some people. If the Redskins were a government body then by all means have at it and change anything you like to suit everybody.

Being a private company the Redskins aren't obligated to please every person. It's obviously is not hurting them financially because FedEx is sold out until 3026.

If the American Indians have such a problem with the name then please don't give the Redskins any patronage, including bringing attention to the team with various lawsuits.

The word "Redskin" only gets said more when your lawsuits are broadcast on national television.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by Giantone

NO, not close!
To many Native Americans ...the word Redskin ...has the same connotation as the "N" word does for African Americans ,to them it's not trivial.........not by a long shot!

If your living in squalor on some Indian Reservation, the name and trademarks of a football team 1000 miles away are the very definition of trivial. Non-trivial things might include food, clean water, medicine, shelter, etc.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by [COLOR=red

Giant[/color]one;558008]if anyone is interested.


The Demise and Removal of the Washington Redskins Logo Petition

I find the use of my peoples namesake to be degrading and hurtful!
---Rubeus Hagrid

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

The Redskins are a private entity. Things don't have to change just because it offends some people. If the Redskins were a government body then by all means have at it and change anything you like to suit everybody.

Being a private company the Redskins aren't obligated to please every person. It's obviously is not hurting them financially because FedEx is sold out until 3026.

If the American Indians have such a problem with the name then please don't give the Redskins any patronage, including bringing attention to the team with various lawsuits.

The word "Redskin" only gets said more when your lawsuits are broadcast on national television.

Yeah I can see your point. I think both sides have valid points. The Redskins havent done anything that would be considered racist since GPM owned the team. The Redskins organization honors Indians imo and means no disrespect. On the other hand I do see what Indians are saying about the team name, logo, etc.

[Giantone]

Did changing the name from the Bullits to the Wizards hurt the team?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

Your "YouTube" video does not count as research. Anyone can put whatever they want on there and try to call it factual. There is no substance to that video what so ever. Try again...

...actually there is and the pro side thinks so.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

Thats kinda the problem. Just like the N word is a racist remark towards blacks the word Redskin is a racist remark towards Indians. If you were a Indian living in Washington DC are you telling me you wouldnt be offended at Redskin fans wearing t-shirts and caps that say Redskins? It would be like a Africian-American living in DC and seeing the N word on t-shirts and hats.

Now when I say this im just giving a different point of view. I know Redskin fans respect and honor Indians. We all wear our Burgundy & Gold in pride. Im happy we won another case that lets us keep the name Redskins, logo, etc. Im just giving a different point of view from the other side. If I was a Indian I would probably be offended in todays society seeing the word Redskins as a team of a US Pro Football Franchise.

I know not all Indians care about the name but I can understand the other point of view of the Indians that do.

To be quite honest with you I live in the outskirts and see "African Americans" as you put it walking around with T-shirts with the "N" word on it. Frankly what upsets me more is the "African Americans" who walk around calling each other the "N" word. The word is either offensive or not offensive and either everyone can say it or no one should. Being white I take pride in telling those individuals that the word offends me and to please stop using it.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Did changing the name from the Bullits to the Wizards hurt the team?

Not sure. You would have to ask the owner if there was any revinue lost from changing the name and colors. I prefered the "Bullets" name and colors more. I have not purchased anything Wizards related.

Originally Posted by SBXVII

To be quite honest with you I live in the outskirts and see "African Americans" as you put it walking around with T-shirts with the "N" word on it. Frankly what upsets me more is the "African Americans" who walk around calling each other the "N" word. The word is either offensive or not offensive and either everyone can say it or no one should. Being white I take pride in telling those individuals that the word offends me and to please stop using it.

Just like some Indians have no problem with the word Redskins some African Americans have no problem with the N word. I do understand your point and agree for the most part. I also understand the point of view from Indians who say the word Redskins is racist just like Africian Americans see the N word as racist.

[SBXVII]

Def;
The Macquarie Dictionary defines racism as: "the belief that human races have distinctive characteristics which determine their respective cultures, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule or dominate others."

Clearly the team is not trying to prove that it's superior then the NA or dominate them.


Merriam-Webster's Dictionary defines racism as a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular racial group, and that it is also the prejudice based on such a belief.

Again the team is not trying to show any signs of superiority over any NA.

According to the Oxford English Dictionary, racism is a belief or ideology that all members of each racial group possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially to distinguish it as being either superior or inferior to another racial group or racial groups.

I honestly don't see why the NA are upset. No where have the Redskins tried to show they are inferior to any NA's. If nothing else perhaps they have put them on a pedistal because we all know the Redskins are the best team and are happy to have the name, which is actually showing they are superior. So why complain. LOL.

[SBXVII]

Look if it makes you all feel better change the name to the Washington Crackers. I don't care. I'll still root for the local team. It's just a shame that people have nothing better to do in their lives then to take up time and energy trying to change a name of an organization instead of simply enjoying life and having fun.

I see them as the one busy boddy in the neighbor hood who can't keep his or her nose out of other peoples business and has to complain about everything cause their lives are so misserable they have to make sure no one else is happy.

I don't like the Dallas cowboys. I find them offensive. So ....I don't root for them. Let them keep their screwed up name and colors...I don't care.

Edit: No different then the smoking issue(and I'm not a smoker). I can't wait until the Coffie Haters of America start sueing coffie companies cause coffie has caffine or the smell makes them sick and should not be in the work place. Caffine is a drug you know. Can't have people all hyped up.

and what about soda? Too much alcohol causes liver problems....maybe we should sue over that also and have it banned again due to medical costs.

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I honestly don't see why the NA are upset. No where have the Redskins tried to show they are inferior to any NA's. If nothing else perhaps they have put them on a pedistal because we all know the Redskins are the best team and are happy to have the name, which is actually showing they are superior. So why complain. LOL.

I dont think its because of anything about the team per say. The Redskins and their fans honor Indians. I think its because Redskins is a racial slur towards Indians.