Things Are Bad All Over?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I said it before early in the year but it's worth saying again. The Bears built their team exactly the same way as the Redskins, yet somehow ended up in the NFC Championship. I guess part of that is they matched their big name QB acquisition with the right coach but other then that we're pretty damn similar. Big contract to a defensive lineman, draftpicks for someone elses QB, top notch MLB, porus OL, big name coach, Beat the Packers, etc.

While the Haynesworth and Peppers signings are superficially similar, the Bears didn't sign Peppers with the idea that they would plug him in somewhere and hope. The Bears had a coaching staff that really, truly understands it's defensive scheme, and so when they signed Peppers, they released Alex Brown and opted not to resign Adewale Ogunleye.

Those were eye opening moves, but in hindsight, somewhat necessary to make sure Peppers could succeed in the scheme. When we signed Haynesworth, we didn't release Griffin or Phillip Daniels or something similar, we dropped the one guy who might have benefitted from Haynesworth the most (Jason Taylor) for $8 million dollars of cap space. [Although we were in cap hell and needed that $8 million to have a draft.]

Our coaches didn't understand defense very well (and we still don't have coaches as good as the Bears coaches, which is why the 2010 Haynesworth thing happened).

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I should point out that the Redskins-Bears comparison is more of a poor attempt at comedy on my part rather than actual hard hitting analysis.

Noted for accuracy.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

While the Haynesworth and Peppers signings are superficially similar, the Bears didn't sign Peppers with the idea that they would plug him in somewhere and hope. The Bears had a coaching staff that really, truly understands it's defensive scheme, and so when they signed Peppers, they released Alex Brown and opted not to resign Adewale Ogunleye.

Those were eye opening moves, but in hindsight, somewhat necessary to make sure Peppers could succeed in the scheme. When we signed Haynesworth, we didn't release Griffin or Phillip Daniels or something similar, we dropped the one guy who might have benefitted from Haynesworth the most (Jason Taylor) for $8 million dollars of cap space. [Although we were in cap hell and needed that $8 million to have a draft.]

Our coaches didn't understand defense very well (and we still don't have coaches as good as the Bears coaches, which is why the 2010 Haynesworth thing happened).

Noted for accuracy.

Yes Sir! You are correct.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

While the Haynesworth and Peppers signings are superficially similar, the Bears didn't sign Peppers with the idea that they would plug him in somewhere and hope. The Bears had a coaching staff that really, truly understands it's defensive scheme, and so when they signed Peppers, they released Alex Brown and opted not to resign Adewale Ogunleye.

Those were eye opening moves, but in hindsight, somewhat necessary to make sure Peppers could succeed in the scheme. When we signed Haynesworth, we didn't release Griffin or Phillip Daniels or something similar, we dropped the one guy who might have benefitted from Haynesworth the most (Jason Taylor) for $8 million dollars of cap space. [Although we were in cap hell and needed that $8 million to have a draft.]

Our coaches didn't understand defense very well (and we still don't have coaches as good as the Bears coaches, which is why the 2010 Haynesworth thing happened).

Noted for accuracy.

I still think that the Redskins don't know how to make a big prized free agent signing work. Although you can definitely blame these situations on the players themselves, it has happened enough times that some blame has to go towards the team.

We all know Haynesworth is a scumbag, but why is it that Jeff Fisher and his staff made him into a dominant DT (post stomping incident), whereas two coaching regimes could not do anything with him?

I just hope this new regime stays away from an expensive free agent...well they technically didn't with the McNabb acquisition. But I hope they've learned from it.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I still think that the Redskins don't know how to make a big prized free agent signing work. Although you can definitely blame these situations on the players themselves, it has happened enough times that some blame has to go towards the team.

We all know Haynesworth is a scumbag, but why is it that Jeff Fisher and his staff made him into a dominant DT (post stomping incident), whereas two coaching regimes could not do anything with him?

I just hope this new regime stays away from an expensive free agent...well they technically didn't with the McNabb acquisition. But I hope they've learned from it.

IMO I think Shanny thought he could do a quick fix with this team, thus the McNabb trade, but from post season articles in WaPo he has recognized the need to rebuild. I guess a season that does not meet your expectations will do that.

In terms on Haynesworth, I think the structure and continuity in Tennessee was the reason for his success. In DC the constant change and drama and the lack of communication made for a bad mix for a player that craves structure.

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

IMO I think Shanny thought he could do a quick fix with this team, thus the McNabb trade, but from post season articles in WaPo he has recognized the need to rebuild. I guess a season that does not meet your expectations will do that.

In terms on Haynesworth, I think the structure and continuity in Tennessee was the reason for his success. In DC the constant change and drama and the lack of communication made for a bad mix for a player that craves structure.

I'm reasonably certain that Shanahan was trying to provide structure. AH would have none of it. Perhaps the continuity helped in Tennessee, but who knows...

AH was obviously ruined by his mega contract, I think the only hope for him as a football player would be to run out of money and to have to play for a living again, so to speak.

What a waste!

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I said it before early in the year but it's worth saying again. The Bears built their team exactly the same way as the Redskins, yet somehow ended up in the NFC Championship. I guess part of that is they matched their big name QB acquisition with the right coach but other then that we're pretty damn similar. Big contract to a defensive lineman, draftpicks for someone elses QB, top notch MLB, porus OL, big name coach, Beat the Packers, etc.

I've made a similar analogy myself even down to OC's that have a disdain for the run.
But, their RB is much better and their OL coach and OC did a better job adapting their schemes to maximize the talent of a limited unit.

[Dirtbag59]

Also I love the shots the author takes at Deion and MJD.

The NFL Network’s Deion Sanders said he’s not backing off his criticism of Cutler for not finishing the NFC Championship Game because of injury. This, mind you, even though Sanders admits Cutler might actually be hurt. By the way, the facts indicate Cutler suffered a Grade II tear of the medial collateral ligament in his left knee at the start of the second quarter against Green Bay.

No matter. Sanders is piddling on the trees marked “lame’’ and “embarrassing’’ to mark his territory based on the perception that Cutler wasn’t hurt.

“There’s reality and there’s perception,’’ Sanders said, and I’m thinking, yeah, there’s the perception that Sanders has a brain and then there’s the reality that Sanders is an utter moron for flatly refusing to ignore the reality that Cutler got injured, played through it in the second quarter, tried to play again after halftime, and ultimately came out diagnosed with a tear in his knee.

Same goes for Maurice Jones-Drew. He fired the first Tweet from his couch after missing the last two games of the season for his playoff-challenging Jaguars -- who’s toughness should be in question here? -- but wait, kids, it gets dumber.

Jones-Drew said he was trying to take a shot at Florida and former coach Urban Meyer as he used “quit’’ and “Cutler’’ in the same message. Even after learning what we call “facts’’ in my country, and even after seeing how dopey he looked, Jones-Drew said he wouldn’t apologize.

Tell you what, people, the NFL doesn’t realize how deep its concussion issues run.

[tryfuhl]

I wouldn't exactly call our acquisitions similar. Some of the same spots, sure... same level players? Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

I wouldn't exactly call our acquisitions similar. Some of the same spots, sure... same level players? Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

Brandon Lloyd
Adam Archuletta
Todd Collins

[schndr_tdd]

Does anyone remember the "turf toe" injury lol. Sanders is the last person to be critisizing Cutler.im not taking up for Cutler because i feel like he didint try hard enough to stay in and i feel he should have worked with the backups each and every problem they were having.if Darrell Green (which is a way better corner than Sanders ever thought about being,but wasnt considered because he didnt run his mouth and show off everything he had)would have said something ,id have to consider his opinion.After all he did return a few punts with 2 broken ribs.Broken ribs is a worse injury than turf toe Dion lol.