Ravens v. Redskins Gameday Thread

[punch it in]

^ but do you think this hit in particular was dirty? Im not sure what he could have done? He led with the shoulder and aimed at the numbers.

[tshile]

Originally Posted by punch it in

^ but do you think this hit in particular was dirty? Im not sure what he could have done? He led with the shoulder and aimed at the numbers.

he could stop lowering his head every time he goes to make a tackle, like he's been asked repeatedly not to do, so that he doesn't go helmet to helmet.

he could stop shoulder tackling and otherwise turning himself into a missile. he could stop trying to make it about a big hit and instead make it about stopping a play.

in other words, he could tackle the correct way. the way they teach you when you're 7 years old.

if this was his first, or even second time, then i'd say ok. but it's not, it's his 6th time + all the times he got away with it before the league started cracking down hard.

this is his fault. blaming it on anyone else is ridiculous. how many times must the same conversation be had with the same player/organization before that player/organization is forced to accept responsibility for it?

get rid of him. he's a dirty player and the league is calling him out for being one. i hate that he's on my team.

[punch it in]

I dont know, i mean one thing a good safety does is try to jar the ball loose as opposed to wrapping a guy up for a 15 yard gain. In this case he tackled by the letter of the law and the offensive player lowered his head when he saw BW coming.
Yes though due to BW's track record it is an issue.

[tshile]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I dont know, i mean one thing a good safety does is try to jar the ball loose as opposed to wrapping a guy up for a 15 yard gain. In this case he tackled by the letter of the law and the offensive player lowered his head when he saw BW coming.
Yes though due to BW's track record it is an issue.

He lowered his helmet and the play resulted in helmet to helmet contact. That is not the letter of the law and that's why he's been suspended. There is a zero tolerance policy with him and he's too stupid to get it, and now we're the ones paying the pice.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by tshile

He lowered his helmet and the play resulted in helmet to helmet contact. That is not the letter of the law and that's why he's been suspended. There is a zero tolerance policy with him and he's too stupid to get it, and now we're the ones paying the pice.

Well we can agree to disagree. He led with his shoulder. He in no way targeted the head. In the past there has been plenty of times where he clearly went helmet to helmet launching himself in that direction. I just dont see this play as one of them. Anybody else want to weigh in on this? Im curious as to who thought this was a dirty hit.

[over the mountain]

Washington Redskins defensive back Brandon Meriweather is penalized for hit on Baltimore Ravens wide receiver Torrey Smith - NFL Videos

The call on the field was hitting the head of a defenseless player. A receiver needs to establish himself as a runner before you can make initial contact with a ball carriers head. That is why the head hit on pierce was not flagged.

I watched the video and paused it a few times. I think (like everyone else) that defensive players have an impossible task of trying to do their job and only deliver clean hits. Many times a receiver like welker will lower their body right before impact changing the impact zone of the defender who has already committed to the hit.

But here BM has about 10 yards and closes in full speed on smith, lowers his head for the last 2 yards and uses the crown of his helmet like a missile and it is pretty clear his helmet hits the chin bars of smith's helmet.

BM cannot take a 10 yard sprint and lead with the crown of his helmet.

BM needs to stop leading with his helmet.

Pause the video a yard or 2 before BM makes contact. His eyes are pointing directly down as if he is bowing.

BM is the best secondary player we have, i like the way he plays but this is clearly deserving of a flag and league discipline given his prior history.

re ray rice - a lot of people think ray rice cold clocked his wife with a fist in the elevator. godell and the prosecutor both saw the camera footage inside the elevator, the public has not. there is chatter that ray rice didnt punch his wife or anything as bad as people seem to think who only saw the footage of him dragging his wife outside of the elevator door. i have no position on ray rice or his punishment, but i dont see how his penalty has anything to do with BM or any other on field infraction. if ray cold clocked his wife on video, i believe his suspension would have been much longer. i do not know what happened inside the elevator.

[punch it in]

T-shile you watched the hit. Do you see him lead with his shoulder? That is NOT illegal. Nobody is saying BW didnt bring this on himself. Just saying that this particular hit and suspension for said hit is bogus. Whatever like MRedskin said the Jags and Texans arent exactly going to lead the league in air assault.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by punch it in

T-shile you watched the hit. Do you see him lead with his shoulder? That is NOT illegal. Nobody is saying BW didnt bring this on himself. Just saying that this particular hit and suspension for said hit is bogus. Whatever like MRedskin said the Jags and Texans arent exactly going to lead the league in air assault.

pause the video i linked at the 0:34 mark and tell me what BM is leading with.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

pause the video i linked at the 0:34 mark and tell me what BM is leading with.

At the 34 second mark i see the play from behind. At the 43 second mark i see shoulder first. You can clearly see him throwing his forearms in front of his body. As Matty said if you lead with the shoulder the head follows.
For what it is worth Smith himself called it a clean football play.
Edit: so did Burress. Another wr who had nothing to do with the play.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by punch it in

At the 34 second mark i see the play from behind. At the 43 second mark i see shoulder first. You can clearly see him throwing his forearms in front of his body. As Matty said if you lead with the shoulder the head follows.
For what it is worth Smith himself called it a clean football play.
Edit: so did Burress. Another wr who had nothing to do with the play.

yeah the video is hard to tell bc it is a poor quality. thanks for taking a look punch. at the :34 mark a second before impact i clearly see BM head down. imo (and i wont belabor the point again), there is a difference with leading with your head up (like the pierce hit) and leading with your head down/crown of your helmet (like the smith hit).

sucks bc entering this season, the next flag may lead to a 4+ game suspension and we cannot afford to lose BM for any extended period of time.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

yeah the video is hard to tell bc it is a poor quality. thanks for taking a look punch. at the :34 mark a second before impact i clearly see BM head down. imo (and i wont belabor the point again), there is a difference with leading with your head up (like the pierce hit) and leading with your head down/crown of your helmet (like the smith hit).



sucks bc entering this season, the next flag may lead to a 4+ game suspension and we cannot afford to lose BM for any extended period of time.

Certainly not a guy we want to lose at all considering our depth, or lack there of at S. I hear what you are saying about lowering the head. I said it before, playing S, and a WR catches a 20 yard pass you are thinking jar that ball loose. Cannot be easy to do running full speed - bang bang play. I agree he needs to keep his head up. I think the refs/ league need to take a really good look at the WR's body motion before the hit. If the WR is lowering his head in a defensive motion than I just am not sure how the DB is supposed to avoid it. Hopefully like you said BW figures it out before we lose him for an extended time period.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

pause the video i linked at the 0:34 mark and tell me what BM is leading with.

He is leading with his shoulder and his head is tucked down and in. Compare the angle at the :34 mark with the angle at the :41 mark. If he comes in head up, it would have been face mask to face mask. Really, BM or not, given the angle of approach, hitting the WR's head was an almost impossible task on that play without whiffing on the WR altogether.

It's a bang-bang play and it appears - to me - BM was actually tucking his head in an attempt to lead with the shoulder b/c anything short of that was going to end in a head shot. It's close, but, given BM's history, he will never, ever get that call.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

He is leading with his shoulder and his head is tucked down and in. Compare the angle at the :34 mark with the angle at the :41 mark. If he comes in head up, it would have been face mask to face mask. Really, BM or not, given the angle of approach, hitting the WR's head was an almost impossible task on that play without whiffing on the WR altogether.



It's a bang-bang play and it appears - to me - BM was actually tucking his head in an attempt to lead with the shoulder b/c anything short of that was going to end in a head shot. It's close, but, given BM's history, he will never, ever get that call.

Exactly how i see it.
Edit : if we cant beat the Jags without BM the season is over early anyway.

[tshile]

Originally Posted by punch it in

T-shile you watched the hit. Do you see him lead with his shoulder? That is NOT illegal. Nobody is saying BW didnt bring this on himself. Just saying that this particular hit and suspension for said hit is bogus. Whatever like MRedskin said the Jags and Texans arent exactly going to lead the league in air assault.

I think any other player would have gotten a warning or a fine.

I think he continually ducks his head, after being punished so many times, and the NFL looks at it says - we've fined you multiple times, we've suspended you, we've had this conversation, you continue to do the same things and it continues to lead to helmet to helmet contact.

He's injured people playing like this. The NFL is dealing with expensive lawsuits related to helmet to helmet contact.

You see this with him all the time. Everyone else (for the most part) has figured it out. He hasn't.

I realize I'm coming off extremely opinionated on it but I told my wife when the hit happened he was going to get suspended for it. Now he's suspended. If you're Meriweather you cannot continue to play like this. If you're the Redskins you cannot continue to rely on this guy. Just the way I view it.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by tshile

The NFL is dealing with expensive lawsuits related to helmet to helmet contact.

Lawsuits and lawyers ruin everything. Now, they're messing with my beloved game of NFL football.