Trayvon Martin Case

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

How? I can imagine any number of ways. Been on the bottom of a fight and needed to pull a knife while being choked? It's a brawl my man. Shit happens. "you would imagine a long struggle"? Martin is angry, is staring him in the eye as he does the "pound" and momentarily loses track of Z's hands; taking advantage of the momentary lapse of his opponent, Z fumbles his gun out and gets a lucky shot off. Not saying that's how it happened but it's one of a myriad of ways a moment can turn a fight.

you said Mr. Good's testimony was very helpful for the defense but ... he testified that it appeared the lighter skinned person was on the bottom and that PUNCHES were being thrown but he couldnt tell if the PUNCHES were landing and he also sd just bc someone is on top doesnt mean the person on the bottom couldnt be punching back . . . (technically i think Mr. Good qualified "punches" as being movement of arms). I dont think Mr. Good's testimony supports Zimmerman's assertion that he was getting his skull bashed in and he thought he was going to die ..

but this comes to what i am starting to think is the whole issue of the case:

Is it justifiable to shoot someone because you are losing a fist fight?

I clearly say "hell no". Zimmerman voluntarily put himself in this position. he wanted to act like a tough guy . . but when the moment of truth arrived, he was really a wimp.

we cant have citizens totting guns, creating confrontational situations and then allow them to kill others because they were losing the confrontation.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

but this comes to what i am starting to think is the whole issue of the case:

Is it justifiable to shot someone because you are losing a fist fight?

If you are in fear for your life, and you're not the aggressor, yes.

Originally Posted by over the mountain

I clearly say "hell no". Zimmerman voluntarily put himself in this position. he wanted to act like a tough guy . . but when the moment of truth arrived, he was really a wimp.

Your perception.

Originally Posted by over the mountain

we cant have citizens totting guns, creating confrontational situations and then allow them to kill others because they were losing the confrontation.

Again, that's your perception. Zimmerman followed Martin because he looked sketchy, Martin resented being followed and confronted Zimmerman.