Redskins "Name Change" Volume 10000000

SFREDSKIN · 09-13-2013, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

If they moved and became the Los Angeles Redskins for example I'd be less inclined to remain a fan than if they stayed and changed the name to the Washington Federals.

How about this? Suppose Snyder says forget it, it's not worth it and sells the team. Someone buys the team and moves them to LA and calls them the Stars or whatever. ANd it's RG3 and company. But then the NFL grants an expansion team to DC and that team gets the Redskins name and colors, but it's different players. Who's your team?

Then you close the book on the Redskins like the Baltimore Colts fans did. You bitch and cry till a new franchise comes along like the Ravens. There's just too much history in this city like Baltimore and Cleveland, they were awarded replacement franchises because of their fans and history. Unfortunately for LA that's a different story.

HailGreen28 · 09-13-2013, 09:09 PM

As far as fandom goes, I guess I've been a fan of Joe Gibbs, and the Redskins, as much as any Washington players over other players in the league. I don't cheer for Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Willis, or Calvin Johnson, but I admire them. I root for our team, the Redskins.

I'd still watch and cheer for our current players, but I have a tough time respecting an organization caving into political correctness like this.

More to the point, if the name changes, I deeply resent the conclusion that I and every Redskin fan must be racist for saying HTTR all these years. That's not what Skins fans believe cheering FOR the team, but the implication of the name change is damning. Screw the PC crowd and the organization if the name changes.

SFREDSKIN · 09-13-2013, 09:21 PM

If it came to the Redskins changing their name and all alternatives were exhausted, then Braves would be only name acceptable. Braves was their original name and it is mentioned in HTTR fight song which had the lyrics changed in the 80's.

Hail to the Redskins!

Hail Victory!

Braves on the Warpath!

Fight for old D.C.!

Run or pass and score -- we want a lot more!

Beat 'em, Swamp 'em,

Touchdown! -- Let the points soar!

Fight on, fight on 'Til you have won

Sons of Wash-ing-ton. Rah!, Rah!, Rah!

Hail to the Redskins!

Hail Victory!

Braves on the Warpath!

Fight for old D.C.!

The previous lyrics (1962 to '80s) were:

Hail to the Redskins!

Hail, victory!

Braves on the warpath!

Fight for Old D.C.!

Scalp 'em, swamp 'um

We will take 'um big score

Read 'um, Weep 'um, touchdown

We want heap more

Fight on, fight on, till you have won

Sons of Washington

Rah! Rah! Rah!

skinsfaninok · 09-13-2013, 09:24 PM

I agree braves or might as well start over

SFREDSKIN · 09-13-2013, 09:29 PM

How would Jack Kent Cooke have handled this naming fiasco? He would tell everyone to **** themselves just like Danny has. Changing the Redskins name is like getting neutered, you lose your name, logo, fight song, probably even the band. Special things that make the Redskins unique, might as well go root for the lizards or Wizards.

skinsfaninok · 09-13-2013, 09:44 PM

I'm glad I'm not alone with this bs.

NC_Skins · 09-13-2013, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

If they moved and became the Los Angeles Redskins for example I'd be less inclined to remain a fan than if they stayed and changed the name to the Washington Federals.

How about this? Suppose Snyder says forget it, it's not worth it and sells the team. Someone buys the team and moves them to LA and calls them the Stars or whatever. ANd it's RG3 and company. But then the NFL grants an expansion team to DC and that team gets the Redskins name and colors, but it's different players. Who's your team?

I wouldn't pull for the team if they moved to LA. If it were a situation like Cleveland where they got their old colors/name/logo back, I'd continue rooting for them.

Second option: I'd probably just continue rooting for my 2nd team the home state Panthers.

SFREDSKIN · 09-13-2013, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I'm glad I'm not alone with this bs.

How come no one is protesting the Cleveland Indians and having the media calling them the Cleveland baseball team? That's some BS!!

724Skinsfan · 09-13-2013, 09:56 PM

I can relate to SS scenario. I chose the Texas Rangers as my team because there was not a local baseball team in Washington. My dad told me the Rangers were moved from DC so I said "good enough" and have been a fan for ~30 years. When the the Nationals came to town I thought for sure switching to the home team would be hard at first but would eventually be able to root for them. I'm no closer to being a Nationals fan now than I was when they first started out. Still a Rangers fan.

So if they were moved to another town with a new name I would probably remain with that team regardless if a new Redskins team were formed in DC.

SmootSmack · 09-13-2013, 09:57 PM

Seeing Redskins: Should media interpret what is offensive?

724Skinsfan · 09-13-2013, 10:37 PM

I don't know but I find it incredibly hard to believe that a person who's looking for a symbol to denote how cool or badass his team is would pick a bloody scalp. If the origin of the word "redskin" was indeed a bloody scalp how would you sell that to the local fan base? I realize that regardless some people are offended by the term, but is it due to their own wrongful association? Or is it a fierce sensitivity for a conquered people to have to be subjected to the usage of their own terms by their conquerors?

If the Russians attacked and conquered us and then, years later, had their sports teams named after something that represented Americans. Would we as a subjugated people not feel bitter towards them for using our representative imagery? Probably...

artmonkforhallofamein07 · 09-13-2013, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

How would Jack Kent Cooke have handled this naming fiasco? He would tell everyone to **** themselves just like Danny has. Changing the Redskins name is like getting neutered, you lose your name, logo, fight song, probably even the band. Special things that make the Redskins unique, might as well go root for the lizards or Wizards.

Exactly. Losing all of that. It would be a piece of my child hood robbed by such a small margin of people.

If the team moved I would not be the "fan" of that team as I am for the Redskins. I would like the guys but I would not be buying new gear or going out of my way to watch every game.

I doubt the team moves and I honestly do not see Dan S selling the team to change the name. The Redskins are a piece of Dan's childhood with his dad. I also see the guy as being as big of a fan of the team as we are.

Green Monk Machine · 09-14-2013, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

Personally I would be far more disturbed to change the burgundy and gold colors than to change the name. Those colors are strangely sacred for me.

YEah man, the exterior of my house has burgundy and gold painted objects all around, my old car was customized with a B/G interior paint job, a closet full of B/G outfits, and that's before the thousands of dollars in skins clothes. Burgundy and gold is the tits.

I can't think of what DC themes sounds cool. Lobbyist= hell no, federals= ehhh, freemasons= f' no. To be honest, capitals, nationals and the patriots would be best for DC but they are spoken for. THis is such a messed up situation. I love the DMV but we need to be in DC and or VA all together. That's why I think if the opposition gets leverage in a court matter, the damaged product would need to be scrapped and moved altogether. I'm never buying new anything if that occurred.

IF the if the warriors is an option, anything from the movie The Warriors would be ok by me. That movie rocked. "Can you dig it?"

Lastly,
Why can't we save time and effort and donate money to a cause or bring the Native Americans into the franchise by some means? a percentage of ownership or consultants for direction or imagery?? Fine the name offends you, well what images are you proud about? I don't think the team is the real enemies, isn't our gov't the real culprits who set the example of what is condonable to Native Americans in the 1st place?!

CRedskinsRule · 09-15-2013, 08:29 AM

Went to the ESPN scoreboard page to look at the intel sheet on our game, first video that pops up is "is the Redskins nickname racist" ... technically our nickname is Skins, so no I wouldn't think that's racist. As for the rest, I didn't let it play, so sick of the discussion.

12thMan · 09-15-2013, 09:37 AM

There's this chick who follows me on twitter is having a hot debate with herself, at the moment, about the Redskins. Apparently she just found it was "racist". People are fukcng trip. Like, if it's offensive and racist, no one has to sit you down and explain it. Which by the way, the etymology of the name Redskins is very dicey. From what I've read and researched, it's not at conclusive one way or the other.

09-13-2013, 09:09 PM	#122
HailGreen28 Playmaker Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 3,754	Re: Redskins "Name Change" Volume 10000000 As far as fandom goes, I guess I've been a fan of Joe Gibbs, and the Redskins, as much as any Washington players over other players in the league. I don't cheer for Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Willis, or Calvin Johnson, but I admire them. I root for our team, the Redskins. I'd still watch and cheer for our current players, but I have a tough time respecting an organization caving into political correctness like this. More to the point, if the name changes, I deeply resent the conclusion that I and every Redskin fan must be racist for saying HTTR all these years. That's not what Skins fans believe cheering FOR the team, but the implication of the name change is damning. Screw the PC crowd and the organization if the name changes.

09-13-2013, 09:21 PM	#123
SFREDSKIN Living Legend Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 15,164	Re: Redskins "Name Change" Volume 10000000 If it came to the Redskins changing their name and all alternatives were exhausted, then Braves would be only name acceptable. Braves was their original name and it is mentioned in HTTR fight song which had the lyrics changed in the 80's. Hail to the Redskins! Hail Victory! Braves on the Warpath! Fight for old D.C.! Run or pass and score -- we want a lot more! Beat 'em, Swamp 'em, Touchdown! -- Let the points soar! Fight on, fight on 'Til you have won Sons of Wash-ing-ton. Rah!, Rah!, Rah! Hail to the Redskins! Hail Victory! Braves on the Warpath! Fight for old D.C.! The previous lyrics (1962 to '80s) were: Hail to the Redskins! Hail, victory! Braves on the warpath! Fight for Old D.C.! Scalp 'em, swamp 'um We will take 'um big score Read 'um, Weep 'um, touchdown We want heap more Fight on, fight on, till you have won Sons of Washington Rah! Rah! Rah! __________________ Joe Gibbs- The best coach of all time, Lombardi trophy should be renamed Gibbs. Art Monk- Art was like an OL playing WR, doing the dirty work and not getting the glory. Darrell Green- Best DB ever. Purveyor of fine Filth

09-13-2013, 09:24 PM	#124
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 38 Posts: 36,188	I agree braves or might as well start over __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

09-13-2013, 09:29 PM	#125
SFREDSKIN Living Legend Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 15,164	Re: Redskins "Name Change" Volume 10000000 How would Jack Kent Cooke have handled this naming fiasco? He would tell everyone to ** themselves just like Danny has. Changing the Redskins name is like getting neutered, you lose your name, logo, fight song, probably even the band. Special things that make the Redskins unique, might as well go root for the lizards or Wizards. __________________ Joe Gibbs- The best coach of all time, Lombardi trophy should be renamed Gibbs. Art Monk- Art was like an OL playing WR, doing the dirty work and not getting the glory. Darrell Green- Best DB ever. Purveyor of fine Filth**

09-13-2013, 09:44 PM	#126
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 38 Posts: 36,188	I'm glad I'm not alone with this bs. __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

09-13-2013, 09:56 PM	#129
724Skinsfan Playmaker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Roanoke, VA Posts: 3,508	Re: Redskins "Name Change" Volume 10000000 I can relate to SS scenario. I chose the Texas Rangers as my team because there was not a local baseball team in Washington. My dad told me the Rangers were moved from DC so I said "good enough" and have been a fan for ~30 years. When the the Nationals came to town I thought for sure switching to the home team would be hard at first but would eventually be able to root for them. I'm no closer to being a Nationals fan now than I was when they first started out. Still a Rangers fan. So if they were moved to another town with a new name I would probably remain with that team regardless if a new Redskins team were formed in DC. __________________ "I hope I'm getting better. I hope you haven't seen my best." - Jim Zorn

09-13-2013, 09:57 PM	#130
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Redskins "Name Change" Volume 10000000 Seeing Redskins: Should media interpret what is offensive? __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

09-13-2013, 10:37 PM	#131
724Skinsfan Playmaker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Roanoke, VA Posts: 3,508	Re: Redskins "Name Change" Volume 10000000 I don't know but I find it incredibly hard to believe that a person who's looking for a symbol to denote how cool or badass his team is would pick a bloody scalp. If the origin of the word "redskin" was indeed a bloody scalp how would you sell that to the local fan base? I realize that regardless some people are offended by the term, but is it due to their own wrongful association? Or is it a fierce sensitivity for a conquered people to have to be subjected to the usage of their own terms by their conquerors? If the Russians attacked and conquered us and then, years later, had their sports teams named after something that represented Americans. Would we as a subjugated people not feel bitter towards them for using our representative imagery? Probably... __________________ "I hope I'm getting better. I hope you haven't seen my best." - Jim Zorn

09-15-2013, 08:29 AM	#134
CRedskinsRule Living Legend Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 58 Posts: 21,701	Re: Redskins "Name Change" Volume 10000000 Went to the ESPN scoreboard page to look at the intel sheet on our game, first video that pops up is "is the Redskins nickname racist" ... technically our nickname is Skins, so no I wouldn't think that's racist. As for the rest, I didn't let it play, so sick of the discussion.

09-15-2013, 09:37 AM	#135
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Redskins "Name Change" Volume 10000000 There's this chick who follows me on twitter is having a hot debate with herself, at the moment, about the Redskins. Apparently she just found it was "racist". People are fukcng trip. Like, if it's offensive and racist, no one has to sit you down and explain it. Which by the way, the etymology of the name Redskins is very dicey. From what I've read and researched, it's not at conclusive one way or the other.

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