Redskins Lions postgame

[Green Monk Machine]

Originally Posted by calia

I have to disagree with that -- we have lost Keenan Robinson (Fletcher's heir apparent), Phillip Thomas (safety depth), Richard Crawford (expected to be our returner and in the CB mix), and Adam Carriker (arguably our best or second best DL) to injury. All players on D expected to contribute, some significantly, and D is where we are struggling the most right now. On a team that has been cash-strapped because of the cap hit and otherwise mis-managed until relatively recently that consequently has little depth, these injuries loom pretty large.

Dude, every team will have a few guys out or hurt. I hear ya on the cash strapped but we still have decent depth and have been without Jenkins and Jackson who are top rotation guys. We are virutually too healthy right now- the entire offense is in tact even the OL. Robinson was a backup, Crawford hoped for more but likely not a week 1 starter on Def, Carriker gone but we knew that would happen, Thomas wasn't going to start. So again, I think the count is 21/22 starters playing, and yet we are 0-3.

Something needs to be done. At the end of the season nobody will think the bad start could have been avoided if Carriker, Craw, Thomas, or Robinson were healthy. It's also worth mentioning Barnett, Kehl, and the rookie Fl St OLb that has slipped my mind as better players than Robinson who has high hopes but struggled last year to find the field.

Idk why we aren't tackling but I feel the majority of blame goes to Haslett and Kyle as to we aren't putting guys in roles to be effective to at least be 1-2.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Pierre Garçon: RGIII “obviously” isn’t completely healthy | ProFootballTalk

Seems like PG is making excuses for ROB

I think he's just getting tired of being asked about it.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

I am getting a tat later to remember my aunt who died from breast cancer eariler this year. Might as well go ahead and turn myself in now.

Sorry about your aunt - hope the tat is sweet

[MTK]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Well the problem with that is if an offensive player slides forward to get more yards should a defender be penalized for hitting them as they are going forward?

For example, if the first down was a yard a way and the QB was trying to dive for the first down and a defender was standing right there how would the defender know if the QB is giving himself up or not.

The way the rule is now if you go head first you can be hit. That's the way it should be. Either way I just don't agree with the ground causing a fumble period.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

People keep mentioning the cap as an excuse. Who's to say that the player/players we bring in here can perform? We have free agents right now that aren't performing. How's Cofield and Bowen performing? What about Josh Wilson? I really hope we add a couple pieces but I really don't want to see the 2000 Redskins ever again. Oh.. how's Mike Wallace working out for Miami? Or Mario Williams for Buffalo? If any fan base should know that free agency is not the way to improve a team it's us.

On the other hand, how's Peyton Manning fairing? Wes Welker? Reggie Bush? (Before his minor injury) I hear Ahmad Bradshaw had a pretty good game with Indy yesterday. The difference between what you're saying and what others are saying is that the cap penalty kept the 'skins from not only acquiring upgrades where the team needs obvious upgrades, but to have the money to take the cap hit on the players that aren't really working out for the team, but are forced to play since the 'skins had no other options. It isn't about having millions of dollars to sign big name over the hill stars to multi-year multi-million dollar contracts.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The way the rule is now if you go head first you can be hit. That's the way it should be. Either way I just don't agree with the ground causing a fumble period.

I don't really disagree with the fumble call yesterday - I felt it was a fumble right away. However, I DO think they need to address this rule and make it absolutely clear as to when the ground can cause a fumble and when it can't. I know at one point, the ground could absolutely not cause a fumble, and somewhere down the line that kind of changed. However, I don't think a player diving forward should ever be considered giving himself up. That would open up a huge can of worms.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

I am getting a tat later to remember my aunt who died from breast cancer eariler this year. Might as well go ahead and turn myself in now.

We got a girl in my office that swears if you live in a townhouse or a gasp apartment you must be a criminal.

Some peoples minds just as small as a peanut.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I don't really disagree with the fumble call yesterday - I felt it was a fumble right away. However, I DO think they need to address this rule and make it absolutely clear as to when the ground can cause a fumble and when it can't. I know at one point, the ground could absolutely not cause a fumble, and somewhere down the line that kind of changed. However, I don't think a player diving forward should ever be considered giving himself up. That would open up a huge can of worms.

In the 45 years that I have played/followed football, it has always been true that if you were not down by contact, the ground could cause a fumble. It's all about whether someone is down by contact or not.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I knew the minute the ball came out it was a fumble. Its all on him to know the rules and not blame it on being a stupid rule for not knowing. With us wanting to portect him more and him knowing he needs to slide more he should have known the rule. Maybe take the time to read sliding rules while your between interviews.

Relax, he knows the rule, he just doesn't agree with it.

[diehardskin2982]

Chris Rainey works out for the Chiefs, runs in the low 4.3s | ProFootballTalk

Can we please sign him on the cheap. He can help our KR game and change of pace!

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The way the rule is now if you go head first you can be hit. That's the way it should be. Either way I just don't agree with the ground causing a fumble period.

He wasn't down by contact. He was sliding head first. If someone had touched him on the way down, no fumble. Lets just say for example he slid head first, and no one touched him and got up and starting running again. Should that have been ruled a touchdown? I would say yes.

He never gave himself up.
He was never ruled down by contact.

I obviously did not have a problem with that ruling because I could have seen that as a bigger problem if they had not ruled it a fumble and ruled him down.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by donofriose

He wasn't down by contact. He was sliding head first. If someone had touched him on the way down, no fumble. Lets just say for example he slid head first, and no one touched him and got up and starting running again. Should that have been ruled a touchdown? I would say yes.

He never gave himself up.
He was never ruled down by contact.

I obviously did not have a problem with that ruling because I could have seen that as a bigger problem if they had not ruled it a fumble and ruled him down.

I understand all that and the call was clearly the right one based on the rule.

I just don't like the rule.

[skinsfaninok]

Griff has done a fantastic jon of getting out of bounds or down

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

On the other hand, how's Peyton Manning fairing? Wes Welker? Reggie Bush? (Before his minor injury) I hear Ahmad Bradshaw had a pretty good game with Indy yesterday. The difference between what you're saying and what others are saying is that the cap penalty kept the 'skins from not only acquiring upgrades where the team needs obvious upgrades, but to have the money to take the cap hit on the players that aren't really working out for the team, but are forced to play since the 'skins had no other options. It isn't about having millions of dollars to sign big name over the hill stars to multi-year multi-million dollar contracts.

Well bringing in a Peyton Manning and having him throw to Welker is not a good example to use. My point was this, the bad has outweighed the good when it's come to free agency. Especially around here. Would you agree with that? We need to sign some guys, I just don't want to see what we saw in 2000 just cause we have cap space.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The offense shot themselves in the foot a couple of times but the defense has been historically bad.

Given how bad the D has been it's going to be awfully hard for the offense make up for that no matter how well they play.

Seems to me they feed off each other. D had some crucial stops in big moments yesterday when the offense was clicking. If the offense faltered the d followed suit though.
I feel like if we could ever play with a lead in the second half that our d would be ok.
Edit: i guess what im saying is our d is bad and the pressure they are always under to keep us in the game because our offense isnt pulling their weight isnt helping