Win Or Lose?

jbcjr14 · 09-12-2005, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by JWsleep

Always, always, always go with the win. And having a serious D is a big deal--they've even improved, as they said they would, in forcing TOs.

Still, I can't be pleased with a team that doesn't score even ONE touchdown. Come on. There are no excuses here. Neither Ramsey nor Brunnell gots us in there. That's on Gibbs and his offensive staff. And if that isn't fixed, we're in trouble.

As for TOs, they'll kill ya every time. I haven't looked yet, but my guess is this week, as in every week, the TO ratio pretty well tracks who won the game. Only as great O or D can overcome that.

And we had some very costly penalties--and weird ones at that. Offensive PI??? Illegal chop bock ON THE KICKING TEAM??? Please stop.

Should Antonio Brown be on the field? I am not sure he should. That was a potential game-losing TO at the start of the 2nd half. He can't catch and now he can't return. WTF?

I'll take the win every time--but we need work. As an old soccer coach of mine us to say (and CRT knows what I'm talking about here

)--Lose, analyze. Win, Criticize.

That's the way to get better. I know that this is what Gibbs does. So there's hope. And we're 1-0. And we didn't blow a home game to a (realtively) weak opponent. Given our tough early schedule, we needed this one.

I would bet Antonio is inactive for next weeks game and either Moss, Jacobs, or Thrash will take over the PR and KR duties.

jbcjr14 · 09-12-2005, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

Remember folks, we BEARly beat the Bears because we gave them the ball around our 20 yard line. That's tough for any defense.

Could have been easily 12-0!

Exactly, the BEARS were NEVER a real threat until we turned it over inside the 20. Other than that sequence, they did not threaten to score. This game really wasn't that close and you take away the turnovers and this becomes a dominant performance.

MTK · 09-12-2005, 08:49 AM

Anybody notice how Betts was in there on returns right away after the fumble by Brown?

I actually like Betts on returns, kinda give us that Brian Mitchell type of return man, a physical guy who slams it up in there and runs north and south rather than dancing around.

Brown better shape up, or he's going to be outta there pretty quick. Turning the ball over on special teams is a huge no-no in Gibbs' book.

I'd go with Betts and Thrash on kickoffs, and give the PR job to Thrash if Brown screws up again.

That Guy · 09-12-2005, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Anybody notice how Betts was in there on returns right away after the fumble by Brown?

I actually like Betts on returns, kinda give us that Brian Mitchell type of return man, a physical guy who slams it up in there and runs north and south rather than dancing around.

Brown better shape up, or he's going to be outta there pretty quick. Turning the ball over on special teams is a huge no-no in Gibbs' book.

I'd go with Betts and Thrash on kickoffs, and give the PR job to Thrash if Brown screws up again.

Brown is north south too and really fast, but that's his second return fumble since he's been here, and he never fair catches even with people in his face (well, he finally did today, in the baltimore game he refused to though).

I wish betts was faster, but he can break tackles.

gortiz · 09-12-2005, 11:36 AM

Brown seems like a good guy,hard worker, and he had a good camp up until the 4th game, but that is it. He had a fumble last year that cost us a game, a fumble this year that could have very easily cost us the game, he is a liability on offense, and he is one dimensional has a runner, i.e. he is fast, thats it, he can't break tackles. ... how many chances will this guy get?

Twilbert07 · 09-12-2005, 11:40 AM

You're right; it's great to be 1-0.

The key for the Dallas game will be for Brunell (for better or worse, we're stuck with him for now) to repeat the performance he had against them on Monday Night last year.

The Cowboys scored nothing but touchdowns yesterday, so we'll need a few ourselves.

TheMalcolmConnection · 09-12-2005, 11:52 AM

I'm really not too worried about Dallas's offense. I AM concerned that Bledsoe spread the ball around however. I think something like 5-6 receivers caught a ball or more.

TheMalcolmConnection · 09-12-2005, 11:53 AM

I am confident Jones will get shut down and that we'll put pressure on Bledsoe, but I just feel if our D has a weak spot at all, it's against the short pass.

mooby · 09-12-2005, 11:59 AM

i was suprised in some of our goal line situations, we didn't see nehemiah broughton or rock cartwright. i thought that was what they are here for, to get the short yardage.

FRPLG · 09-12-2005, 12:11 PM

Just win baby.

MTK · 09-12-2005, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mooby

i was suprised in some of our goal line situations, we didn't see nehemiah broughton or rock cartwright. i thought that was what they are here for, to get the short yardage.

Nemo wasn't active

Longtimefan · 09-12-2005, 03:55 PM

While I will take a win over a loss anyday, sometimes I think we become a little discouraged about the way we win which is understandable. We as fans know we are not going to win many games scoring nine points, and while we got by today, we know tomorrow we might not be so lucky.

Our major problem last year was the inability to score points, and so far this season we have not done anything "noticeable" to change that. It's actually painful to think that had we averaged 21 pts. last season our record would have been 12-4. So, regardless of who starts at QB, who catches how many passes, who runs for how many yards, until we stop the penalties, fumbles, interceptions, sustain drives, and play consistent, we'll just be a carbon copy of last year. I don't think we'll be able to beat Dallas Monday night with nine points.

PSUSkinsFan21 · 09-12-2005, 04:23 PM

Personally I don't care if we win every game 6-3.......the only thing that matters at the end of the season is W's.

Joe Knows... · 09-13-2005, 12:21 AM

Winning is the only thing that matters. I just wish some fans would actually see that.

That's what the coach is trying to do. He's trying to return the Redskins to glory and to the playoffs and to a superbowl. And you don't get that by losing. So if you gotta win 3 to 0, then win 3 to 0. Heck, I remember sitting the whole way through a game against the Jets with that score back aroun 1994.

I just want to go to the Superbowl again. The playoff drought has to end soon!!! I don't care how we win as long as we win.

I just wish my fellow fans would see it that way too.

jdlea · 09-13-2005, 12:24 AM

He's not going to win with Mark Brunell...what is going to make Mark Brunell magically play better this year? He looked exactly the same yesterday. He tried to win with Brunell last year...this just in...it didn't work!

09-12-2005, 08:49 AM	#33
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: Win Or Lose? Anybody notice how Betts was in there on returns right away after the fumble by Brown? I actually like Betts on returns, kinda give us that Brian Mitchell type of return man, a physical guy who slams it up in there and runs north and south rather than dancing around. Brown better shape up, or he's going to be outta there pretty quick. Turning the ball over on special teams is a huge no-no in Gibbs' book. I'd go with Betts and Thrash on kickoffs, and give the PR job to Thrash if Brown screws up again.

09-12-2005, 11:36 AM	#35
gortiz Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 498	Re: Win Or Lose? Brown seems like a good guy,hard worker, and he had a good camp up until the 4th game, but that is it. He had a fumble last year that cost us a game, a fumble this year that could have very easily cost us the game, he is a liability on offense, and he is one dimensional has a runner, i.e. he is fast, thats it, he can't break tackles. ... how many chances will this guy get? __________________ "If people are underestimating us," Jansen said, "there will be a rude awakening this year."

09-12-2005, 11:40 AM	#36
Twilbert07 Impact Rookie Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA Age: 60 Posts: 594	Re: Win Or Lose? You're right; it's great to be 1-0. The key for the Dallas game will be for Brunell (for better or worse, we're stuck with him for now) to repeat the performance he had against them on Monday Night last year. The Cowboys scored nothing but touchdowns yesterday, so we'll need a few ourselves.

09-12-2005, 11:52 AM	#37
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Win Or Lose? I'm really not too worried about Dallas's offense. I AM concerned that Bledsoe spread the ball around however. I think something like 5-6 receivers caught a ball or more. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

09-12-2005, 11:53 AM	#38
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Win Or Lose? I am confident Jones will get shut down and that we'll put pressure on Bledsoe, but I just feel if our D has a weak spot at all, it's against the short pass. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

09-12-2005, 11:59 AM	#39
mooby Hug Anne Spyder Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 20,577	Re: Win Or Lose? i was suprised in some of our goal line situations, we didn't see nehemiah broughton or rock cartwright. i thought that was what they are here for, to get the short yardage. __________________ Hail to the Football Team

09-12-2005, 12:11 PM	#40
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: Win Or Lose? Just win baby.

09-12-2005, 03:55 PM	#42
Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	Re: Win Or Lose? While I will take a win over a loss anyday, sometimes I think we become a little discouraged about the way we win which is understandable. We as fans know we are not going to win many games scoring nine points, and while we got by today, we know tomorrow we might not be so lucky. Our major problem last year was the inability to score points, and so far this season we have not done anything "noticeable" to change that. It's actually painful to think that had we averaged 21 pts. last season our record would have been 12-4. So, regardless of who starts at QB, who catches how many passes, who runs for how many yards, until we stop the penalties, fumbles, interceptions, sustain drives, and play consistent, we'll just be a carbon copy of last year. I don't think we'll be able to beat Dallas Monday night with nine points.

09-12-2005, 04:23 PM	#43
PSUSkinsFan21 The Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Philadelphia, PA Age: 48 Posts: 1,340	Re: Win Or Lose? Personally I don't care if we win every game 6-3.......the only thing that matters at the end of the season is W's. __________________ "Hail to the Redskins!" and "Fight on State!"

09-13-2005, 12:21 AM	#44
Joe Knows... Camp Scrub Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Northern Maryland Posts: 77	Re: Win Or Lose? Winning is the only thing that matters. I just wish some fans would actually see that. That's what the coach is trying to do. He's trying to return the Redskins to glory and to the playoffs and to a superbowl. And you don't get that by losing. So if you gotta win 3 to 0, then win 3 to 0. Heck, I remember sitting the whole way through a game against the Jets with that score back aroun 1994. I just want to go to the Superbowl again. The playoff drought has to end soon!!! I don't care how we win as long as we win. I just wish my fellow fans would see it that way too.

09-13-2005, 12:24 AM	#45
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 41 Posts: 3,109	Re: Win Or Lose? He's not going to win with Mark Brunell...what is going to make Mark Brunell magically play better this year? He looked exactly the same yesterday. He tried to win with Brunell last year...this just in...it didn't work!

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