Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?

[CrustyRedskin]

Whats Wayne Fontes up to....

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

Whats Wayne Fontes up to....

Probably hanging out with Joe Walton (worst DC the Redskins ever had, worse than Haslett)

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

A better response would have been "I am not familiar with the Seahawks situation when Carroll/Schneider took over." Basically, they were old, and had fatal flaws because the previous regime did not know what it was doing. With, of course, some rough contracts..

The only bad years they had prior to 2003 came in 2008 and 2009. Prior to that time, they average 10 wins per season. A FAR FAR cry from the situation our team was in. If you think they are remotely comparable, you are clueless. It's not.

Now, if you want to make the claim that Carroll and crew have made better moves via draft and FA since taking over, then you have a lot of ground to work with on that front. Would they be signing those FA if they had been stuck with 36 million cap penalty though? Probably not.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by redskins5044

The last year and this year have stunted the growth of the team and organization with the cap penalty. Especially last offseason we couldn't add any o-line help or secondary help with zero money to spend or to keep our own guy AKA Lorenzo. Oh and a QB coming major knee surgery who isn't a pocket passer and team are making him throw to beat them. He is proving he needs a lot of work to get there, he is a horrible right now at reading defenses and progressing through his reads.

Okay, Lorenzo Alexander. The guy who got away.

Lets say we have an additional $10 million in cap space (the difference between our restructures and the penalty).

Are you absolutely certain you'd match an offer from the Cardinals to pay Lorenzo Alexander $10 million over the next three years? Is that wise? Is there any chance the Redskins match that offer, even if they can afford to do so?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The team that was basically in the exact same situation we were in when Shanahan took over was Seattle. Years of mismanagement, lacking talent, knowing the QB of the future wasn't on the roster, and both franchises made an ill-advised trade of a day 2 draft pick (or at least what would now be day 2) that returned no stability at the QB position.

Seattle clearly did not need more than three years to completely change the position of their franchise in the NFL. They were down for two seasons.

Not the team I meant but your example may be better than mine.

The cap penalty isn't the difference between us and a great team. And it would matter a lot less if Mike didn't waste his first two seasons blowing up the defense and making several big mistakes at QB. But that misses the point. Talent is way down on the list of problems we face. Mike and co probably take up the top ten spots on the list and the cap penalty might be the eleventh.

[SFREDSKIN]

I like SD coach McCoy, I would like to find someone like him. I think he is been doing an excellent job and will be a pretty good coach.

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Probably hanging out with Joe Walton (worst DC the Redskins ever had, worse than Haslett)

Lol. I cant remember Walton but since I've been watching Mike Nolan was the worst DC in DC imho.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

The only bad years they had prior to 2003 came in 2008 and 2009. Prior to that time, they average 10 wins per season. A FAR FAR cry from the situation our team was in. If you think they are remotely comparable, you are clueless. It's not.

Now, if you want to make the claim that Carroll and crew have made better moves via draft and FA since taking over, then you have a lot of ground to work with on that front. Would they be signing those FA if they had been stuck with 36 million cap penalty though? Probably not.

Well, I mean, it's really obvious that they've made better moves. Everybody knows that.

You not wanting to admit the situations were pretty freakin close doesn't make it less close. I'll agree to disagree on the point since I don't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting you to revisit some of the key points of your understanding of the pre-Shanahan Redskins. Only time can do that. And even then, your heels are pretty dug in.

Let's move in this direction: the cap penalty. Who on this team (current member of the 53 man roster) is NOT here because we were too cap-strapped to replace them? Gumbs? Hall? Those are the only names I can think of where the Redskins didn't have a player to keep because they couldn't afford to overpay Aqib Talib or DaShon Goldson.

Like it or not, 50/53 players on this team would be here even without the cap penalty. We know that because we had legitimate, cheap competition during training camp, and chose the current roster over those guys.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by The Goat

And it would matter a lot less if Mike didn't waste his first two seasons blowing up the defense and making several big mistakes at QB.

That's a valid point, but Pete had Matt Hasselbeck coming in. Shanny had Jason Campbell...lol I personally thought it was a horrible move (then and now) because we lacked way too much talent to be giving picks away. Hell, I still thought we gave up too much for RGIII.

[GTripp0012]

The Seahawks aren't trading for Percy Harvin or giving Brandon Browner a raise if they had a cap penalty on them. But then they also have two high draft picks with which to build their team. They would have weathered the cap penalty that we have just fine.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

That's a valid point, but Pete had Matt Hasselbeck coming in. Shanny had Jason Campbell...lol I personally thought it was a horrible move (then and now) because we lacked way too much talent to be giving picks away. Hell, I still thought we gave up too much for RGIII.

What was the difference between 2010 Jason Campbell and 2010 Matt Hasselbeck? Outside of the fact that Campbell played better that season...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Not the team I meant but your example may be better than mine.

The cap penalty isn't the difference between us and a great team. And it would matter a lot less if Mike didn't waste his first two seasons blowing up the defense and making several big mistakes at QB. But that misses the point. Talent is way down on the list of problems we face. Mike and co probably take up the top ten spots on the list and the cap penalty might be the eleventh.

The cap penalty is the difference between this team and this team with Aqib Talib instead of DeAngelo Hall or EJ Biggers (and possibly Eddie Royal instead of Moss). That's it. That's what 36 million cost us.

We couldn't afford a front-line corner. It's unfair. But that's the practical cost.

[donofriose]

There have been franchises that have been terrible and new coaches were able to make them playoff teams or at least the teams had shown improvement in less than three years.

The cap penalty is unique to the Redskins but pretty much this same team went 10-6 with similar restrictions, and last I checked the NFC East is actually worst than last year. And signing free agents is not the key to developing great teams, drafting and developing players is what will win you games, and besides Trent Williams, what player has been a for sure great draft pick that the Redskins have developed to his potential?

Ever since Pete Carroll took over the Seahawks have made better decisions than the Redskins, specifically on draft day, and they have developed their players, unlike the Redskins. The Seahawks were good when Holmgren was there, but the minute he left the team went straight downhill and became one of the worst franchises in the NFL. Just like When Gibbs left the Skins. Let us not act like the Seahawks were in that much of better than what Shanahan inherited.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The cap penalty is the difference between this team and this team with Aqib Talib instead of DeAngelo Hall or EJ Biggers (and possibly Eddie Royal instead of Moss). That's it. That's what 36 million cost us.

We couldn't afford a front-line corner. It's unfair. But that's the practical cost.

Uh, I'm not so sure about that. They wanted more than just Talib. They wanted Finnegan. They wanted a big play WR. They wanted OL help (Eric Winston ring a bell?) I forget what Safeties and LBs were available in FA the past 2 years, so I can't think of any more names. EDIT: Retaining Lorenzo is another to add.

Oh supposedly Reggie Bush was on our radar.

The point is, rumor has it (since thats all you and I know right now) we wanted more than just Talib and Eddie Royal. I think Smoot can settle this with some of his ''insider expertise.''

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by donofriose

There have been franchises that have been terrible and new coaches were able to make them playoff teams or at least the teams had shown improvement in less than three years.

The cap penalty is unique to the Redskins but pretty much this same team went 10-6 with similar restrictions, and last I checked the NFC East is actually worst than last year. And signing free agents is not the key to developing great teams, drafting and developing players is what will win you games, and besides Trent Williams, what player has been a for sure great draft pick that the Redskins have developed to his potential?

Ever since Pete Carroll took over the Seahawks have made better decisions than the Redskins, specifically on draft day, and they have developed their players, unlike the Redskins. The Seahawks were good when Holmgren was there, but the minute he left the team went straight downhill and became one of the worst franchises in the NFL. Just like When Gibbs left the Skins. Let us not act like the Seahawks were in that much of better than what Shanahan inherited.

This is a totally different point from what I'm making, but no less accurate. Good post.