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[DynamiteRave]

Shanahan: The career ender

Former Mike Shanahan pupil Jake Plummer feels for RG3

[MTK]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Shanahan: The career ender

Former Mike Shanahan pupil Jake Plummer feels for RG3

Surprising he doesn't rip him that bad

"Mike definitely rubbed me the wrong way in some ways. Also, he did some great things in resurrecting my career. Overall, I was grateful to be coached by him. But I was a square peg in a round hole. I didn't fit what he really wanted me to be, and he moved on to somebody else.''

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

Why change a system that got you to the playoffs, if it ain't broke don't fix it. That would mean Shannhan is an idiot if he arbitrarily changed the offense. Illogical, damn it Jim I'm a phaser technician not a nursing assistant.

I'll try to spell it out for you a little better... don't look at the situation now and wonder what the hell they were thinking... look at it from their perspective at the time...

RG3 gets drafted and they have high hopes, he shows up in June or later and essentially he has 2 1/2 months if that to prepare for the season. You know learn the plays. He shows up and either doesn't know the plays that well or is having trouble running them, ie; all the fundamentals a normal QB should already know but needs a little tweaking like footwork, back peddle, reading defenses, how to hand the ball off, etc. etc. Knowing they won't fix stupid in time they decide to incorporate not just some but a lot of the "read option" spread that RG3 already knows. Maybe they asked him for several plays he liked. The year goes by rather well except for one glitch and thats RG3's injury. Perhaps they hoped RG3 would be around the off season between year 1 and year 2 so they could work with him on all the basic fundamentals but he stayed in Florida rehabbing his knee.

Year two we are looking at an RG3 who is limited due to injury and the brace. He does not have the speed he did in year one so now it's time to tweak the offense yet again. Maybe make him more of a pocket passer and try to get the protection around him. However if he has to run he can.

I think they tweaked it to be more of what MS runs as a scheme simply to protect RG3 from running so much. So this whole second year was a huge learning curve for RG3. Yeah he did some nice things but he still has a lot to learn. and when under pressure he forgets all about fundamentals.

Now we are at the end of the season, gossip everywhere, not getting into the play offs, the field is messy, so there is no need to let RG3 get hurt taking a pounding or while running on the messy field. Cue Cousins here. Someone who is not an option QB but can run a little of it but is more of a pocket passer. Exactly what MS needs for "his" system to work.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Knowing they won't fix stupid in time...

If this long, repetitive diatribe had a point, I missed it because I stopped reading after this comment.


There are plenty of things that Griffin can be criticized for, but being too stupid to play the position isn't one of them.

[MTK]

4 years in and we're still calling this Mike's offense?

[DynamiteRave]

The amount of unfounded speculation being thrown out there is completely blowing me away. I mean. Wow, just wow.

[Gary84Clark]

Reminds me of john Beck, thought Shanny knew quarterbacks. He was way off on Beck. He was so far off on Beck, this idiot had Grossman as his starter and made us a laughing stock. He was about to be fired, we had been through his "system" QB gamble it became clear we needed a QB with some physical talent. If "Kyle" was such a good coordinator you could just follow his system to success. If this was true Beck would have proved it. It proved to him wrong. RG3 saved Mikes job. I remember those events.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

Reminds me of john Beck, thought Shanny knew quarterbacks. He was way off on Beck. He was so far off on Beck, this idiot had Grossman as his starter and made us a laughing stock. He was about to be fired, we had been through his "system" QB gamble it became clear we needed a QB with some physical talent. If "Kyle" was such a good coordinator you could just follow his system to success. If this was true Beck would have proved it. It proved to him wrong. RG3 saved Mikes job. I remember those events.

I think he knew damn well Beck was a joke. Just another classic line of BS he fed us.

[Gary84Clark]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I think he knew damn well Beck was a joke. Just another classic line of BS he fed us.

That's sad he went in to the season with a joke at QB. Even played with Beck's mind. He was the joke and Mike played him and us. mike <<<<< Gibbs.

[calia]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

If this long, repetitive diatribe had a point, I missed it because I stopped reading after this comment.


There are plenty of things that Griffin can be criticized for, but being too stupid to play the position isn't one of them.

I couldn't agree more. It also doesn't seem that RGIII had any issues knowing the plays or playbook. We didn't see instances -- this year or last -- where he threw to open space where there was no receiver or the receiver had done something he didn't expect (not with any frequency, any way). Nor was there any hint from the coaches that we were tapping into only a small part of the playbook beceause he didn't know it all -- which coaches will sometimes say with new guys, backups, etc. I don't think this has anything to do with the product on the field.

[DynamiteRave]

At least the Shanahans are keeping their stories consistent.

Kyle Shanahan “disappointed” by decision to shut down Griffin | ProFootballTalk

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

That's sad he went in to the season with a joke at QB. Even played with Beck's mind. He was the joke and Mike played him and us. mike <<<<< Gibbs.

I remember, that summer, I was speaking with my brother about going to a game and I told him, "Until they get a real quarterback, I'm not going to another game! Grossman and Beck?! There's not a starter between them, I'm not going this year." Obviously, I've lifted that ban since we drafted Griffin, but I was all kinds of angry that Mike Shanahan tried to sell me on the Grossman/Beck fiasco.

Btw, he was wrong to bench Grossman when he did too. Apparently, that just his MO

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

At least the Shanahans are keeping their stories consistent.

Kyle Shanahan “disappointed” by decision to shut down Griffin | ProFootballTalk

Amazing...

[MTK]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

At least the Shanahans are keeping their stories consistent.

Kyle Shanahan “disappointed” by decision to shut down Griffin | ProFootballTalk

Kyle trying to stay above the fray... keep his name clear for future gigs

[skinsfaninok]

Haha we r like Jerry Springer