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[FRPLG]

I will argue this all day long. The stats on "pressures" do not accurately count the amount of times he dropped back and had one, two, or three of the KL/WL/CC pu pu platter butt bumping him within micro seconds. All year he was throwing from a compromised pocket with little in the way of passing lanes. He threw off his back foot 1/3 of the time so he wouldn't shred the Achilles of one of those guys constantly.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I will argue this all day long. The stats on "pressures" do not accurately count the amount of times he dropped back and had one, two, or three of the KL/WL/CC pu pu platter butt bumping him within micro seconds. All year he was throwing from a compromised pocket with little in the way of passing lanes. He threw off his back foot 1/3 of the time so he wouldn't shred the Achilles of one of those guys constantly.

Some of you guys make waaaaay to many excuses for Robert. Reminds me of the ole Jason Campbell supporters. Facts are facts. He didn't have good field vision, didn't read the defenses well, accuracy was way off, and he held onto the ball too long at times.

Sure, the offensive line was offensive at times, but the fact of the matter is our QB play stunk. (as well as other positions)

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Some of you guys make waaaaay to many excuses for Robert. Reminds me of the ole Jason Campbell supporters. Facts are facts. He didn't have good field vision, didn't read the defenses well, accuracy was way off, and he held onto the ball too long at times.

Sure, the offensive line was offensive at times, but the fact of the matter is our QB play stunk. (as well as other positions)

An excuse is something like blaming the 2012 knee injury. Or saying that all sophomores struggle. Those are excuses that don't address the on field play.

Saying that the interior lineman couldn't build a pocket or that a lot of times the offensive gameplan seemed counterproductive just means you understood what was happening.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Some of you guys make waaaaay to many excuses for Robert. Reminds me of the ole Jason Campbell supporters. Facts are facts. He didn't have good field vision, didn't read the defenses well, accuracy was way off, and he held onto the ball too long at times.

Sure, the offensive line was offensive at times, but the fact of the matter is our QB play stunk. (as well as other positions)

Conversely, some people are acting like Griffin was Shuler-like last season. There were times he looked like crap and there were times he looked like what we expect him to be. In the middle of the season, there were stretches where he looked as good as any QB we faced this year outside of Manning. Unfortunately, it was never for long enough.

I'm already tired of the 'experts' talking about having to 'fix' Griffin. SVP & Russilo asked Tim Hasselbeck the other day if 'RG3 is the biggest question mark in the NFL heading into next season'. Seriously? He needs an offseason, healthy, to be coached and develop. If he still has ratings in the 70's, a high turnover ratio, has sloppy mechanics and runs/puts himself in danger too much, then let's have that discussion. Until then, people need to chill.

All of the smoke and noise that Shanahan & his camp put out the last 5 or 6 weeks of the season has worked to distract people from the piss poor job he did and was fired as a result of.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Conversely, some people are acting like Griffin was Shuler-like last season. There were times he looked like crap and there were times he looked like what we expect him to be. In the middle of the season, there were stretches where he looked as good as any QB we faced this year outside of Manning. Unfortunately, it was never for long enough.

I'm already tired of the 'experts' talking about having to 'fix' Griffin. SVP & Russilo asked Tim Hasselbeck the other day if 'RG3 is the biggest question mark in the NFL heading into next season'. Seriously? He needs an offseason, healthy, to be coached and develop. If he still has ratings in the 70's, a high turnover ratio, has sloppy mechanics and runs/puts himself in danger too much, then let's have that discussion. Until then, people need to chill.

All of the smoke and noise that Shanahan & his camp put out the last 5 or 6 weeks of the season has worked to distract people from the piss poor job he did and was fired as a result of.

It's as if 2012 never happened.

A guy coming off a serious knee injury with no offseason work gets no breaks I guess.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

It's as if 2012 never happened.

A guy coming off a serious knee injury with no offseason work gets no breaks I guess.

Matty I agree with you but he should also not have had any starts ,at least for a while .