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[Ruhskins]

Honestly, people need to chill the f*ck out about what is going on this offseason. Jay Gruden is hiring people from his network, just like every other NFL HC does. Bruce Allen is doing the same with the front office. It happens all the time in the NFL and most of the time outside the NFL.

Allen has been a competent GM in his career and so far I'm fine with most of the things he has done with the team. He's not Vinny Cerrator or Jerry Jones. The fanbase b*tched 24/7 about how we didn't have a true GM or we didn't have football people running the team. Well, we now have both (we even had that during MS tenure here).

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Honestly, people need to chill the f*ck out about what is going on this offseason. Jay Gruden is hiring people from his network, just like every other NFL HC does. Bruce Allen is doing the same with the front office. It happens all the time in the NFL and most of the time outside the NFL.

Allen has been a competent GM in his career and so far I'm fine with most of the things he has done with the team. He's not Vinny Cerrator or Jerry Jones. The fanbase b*tched 24/7 about how we didn't have a true GM or we didn't have football people running the team. Well, we now have both (we even had that during MS tenure here).

Its the offseason, you know how we roll. Waiting on: Haynesworth thread, "Trade RG3 for 10 draft picks" thread, etc.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Its the offseason, you know how we roll. Waiting on: Haynesworth thread, "Trade RG3 for 10 draft picks" thread, etc.

I expect pointless threads. It's just hearing this over and over again is getting old:

"Waaaaaaaaa! Jay Gruden is Zorn 2.0!"
"Waaaaaaaaa! Jay Gruden is hiring people he knows!"
"Waaaaaaaaaa! Bruce Allen is hiring everyone from Tampa!"
"Waaaaaaaaa! Jay Gruden just said something that must mean everything is going to hell!"

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I expect pointless threads. It's just hearing this over and over again is getting old:

"Waaaaaaaaa! Jay Gruden is hiring people he knows!"
"Waaaaaaaaaa! Bruce Allen is hiring everyone from Tampa!"
"Waaaaaaaaa! Jay Gruden just said something that must mean everything is going to hell!"

It really amazes me people are hung up on this stuff. Look around at every coaching staff and front office and tell me this isn't par for the course. Look at the staff that just left here FFS. Shanny had "his guys" all over the place including his son. Gibbs 2.0 also included a bunch of his former coaches.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

It really amazes me people are hung up on this stuff. Look around at every coaching staff and front office and tell me this isn't par for the course. Look at the staff that just left here FFS. Shanny had "his guys" all over the place including his son. Gibbs 2.0 also included a bunch of his former coaches.

Honestly, I'm shocked we didn't have this times a thousand when Gibbs was hired considering how long both he AND his assistants had been out of the game.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I expect pointless threads. It's just hearing this over and over again is getting old:

"Waaaaaaaaa! Jay Gruden is Zorn 2.0!"
"Waaaaaaaaa! Jay Gruden is hiring people he knows!"
"Waaaaaaaaaa! Bruce Allen is hiring everyone from Tampa!"
"Waaaaaaaaa! Jay Gruden just said something that must mean everything is going to hell!"

You forgot:

"Waaaaaaaaaaaa! Redskins fans are voicing their displeasure again!"


Nothing worse than bitching about the bitchers.

For the record. I like Jay Gruden and I don't mind he's hiring people he knows. My only qualm here is two things. (maybe three)

1) Jim Haslett still DC
2) Bringing in Doug Williams. Nothing about his career says otherwise.
3) Bruce Allen making personnel decisions. (this is if he overrides our personnel guys)

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You forgot:

"Waaaaaaaaaaaa! Redskins fans are voicing their displeasure again!"


Nothing worse than bitching about the bitchers.

For the record. I like Jay Gruden and I don't mind he's hiring people he knows. My only qualm here is two things. (maybe three)

1) Jim Haslett still DC
2) Bringing in Doug Williams. Nothing about his career says otherwise.
3) Bruce Allen making personnel decisions. (this is if he overrides our personnel guys)

6 years in the Bucs front office doesn't 'say otherwise'? Director of Pro Scouting doesn't 'say otherwise'?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

6 years in the Bucs front office doesn't 'say otherwise'? Director of Pro Scouting doesn't 'say otherwise'?

I suggest you look at those drafts during that time. Complete garbage. Ask Raheem Morris. He inherited that shit team.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I suggest you look at those drafts during that time. Complete garbage. Ask Raheem Morris. He inherited that shit team.

Well as Director of Pro Scouting the responsibilities were more free agency/evaluating players in the NFL vs. draft evaluations. Also, I'm pretty sure he's not being hired as director of football operations or anything. He will have a role and a voice but I doubt it will be one of significant influence over the roster.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I suggest you look at those drafts during that time. Complete garbage. Ask Raheem Morris. He inherited that shit team.

As Paintrain said, Doug Williams was involved in evaluating free agents and was not involved in the draft.

Further, he didn't have a decision-making role in Tampa, so any personnel gaffes cannot be pinned solely on him.

After returning to Tampa to work under then-Bucs general manager Allen in 2004, Williams hoped he was on a path that would lead to a GM post. But he often met resistance when seeking an expanded role in the front office, causing frequent frustration. That continued under Dominik, after Allen was fired in January 2009. Williams' role was mainly evaluating free agents and other possible acquisitions, but he did not appear to be involved in decision making.

Doug Williams, Tampa Bay Buccaneers split for a second time | Tampa Bay Times

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Honestly, people need to chill the f*ck out about what is going on this offseason. Jay Gruden is hiring people from his network, just like every other NFL HC does. Bruce Allen is doing the same with the front office. It happens all the time in the NFL and most of the time outside the NFL.

Allen has been a competent GM in his career and so far I'm fine with most of the things he has done with the team. He's not Vinny Cerrator or Jerry Jones. The fanbase b*tched 24/7 about how we didn't have a true GM or we didn't have football people running the team. Well, we now have both (we even had that during MS tenure here).

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