The everything Gruden thread

[VTSkins1961]

Shanahan didn't do crap without Elway

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I always like your posts and generally agree with everything you say - But - we had Mike Shanahan, who was a proven winner, and who also knew what was going on in Redskins park. Shanahan said the same things about RG that Gruden is saying now. If Gruden is fired and RG3 survives, by next year, we will have seen that 3 Head Coaches benched RG3, has something like that ever happened before??

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by VTSkins1961

Shanahan didn't do crap without Elway

I agree but the argument was that we needed a HC who was a winner and knew what he was getting into here. Regardless of John Elway or not, Shanahan does have those super bowl rings.

That's like saying Bill Belicheck isn't crap without Tom Brady. The future may show that, who can say...

[VTSkins1961]

I would disagree on how good of a coach he was. He does have the rings but he had a great qb to help him... As much as I can't stand belicheck he is a good coach. He was doing well with bledsoe before he got hurt. Gibbs,(1) & parcells were great coaches, got rings with multiple qb's. Gibbs(2) not so good, the game passed him by but I think he taught danny boy patience.

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I agree but the argument was that we needed a HC who was a winner and knew what he was getting into here. Regardless of John Elway or not, Shanahan does have those super bowl rings.

That's like saying Bill Belicheck isn't crap without Tom Brady. The future may show that, who can say...