The everything Gruden thread

[MTK]

Trent isn't the problem.

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Trent isn't the problem.

Hello straw man! Nobody said Trent was the problem.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

Hello straw man! Nobody said Trent was the problem.

Then why are we talking about him at all?

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Then why are we talking about him at all?

He is implying that it is Gruden's fault that Trent is playing hurt and not doing as well as he has the past two years under Mike.

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Then why are we talking about him at all?

Because he's one of several offensive players who've regressed playing for Gruden. This is Trent's worst year as a pro, is that not obvious to everyone??

His bad year is a symptom of the problem, that's what I'm saying. When your probowl LT is causing penalties left and right, allowing sacks on the QB and looks out of shape and generally sloppy there's a major problem with team leadership. If not the HC, who do you look at??

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

Because he's one of several offensive players who've regressed playing for Gruden. This is Trent's worst year as a pro, is that not obvious to everyone??

His bad year is a symptom of the problem, that's what I'm saying. When your probowl LT is causing penalties left and right, allowing sacks on the QB and looks out of shape and generally sloppy there's a major problem with team leadership. If not the HC, who do you look at??

He's been dinged up most of the year. I think that's his main issue not the HC. Probably a dozen better reasons you could have pointed out IMO.

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

He's been dinged up most of the year. I think that's his main issue not the HC. Probably a dozen better reasons you could have pointed out IMO.

Reasons why key players have obviously regressed that don't fall on the offensive HC, let's hear em??

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

Reasons why key players have obviously regressed that don't fall on the offensive HC, let's hear em??

Have we really regressed though? Last year the offense was ranked 23rd in points and 9th in yards. This year we're 22nd and 11th. Mostly the same players, slightly different schemes, same results. Again heading for a top 3 pick.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by rotten1980

reasons why key players have obviously regressed that don't fall on the offensive hc, let's hear em??

Injury. Trent Williams is hurt. Has been hurt. Continues to play hurt.

He was limping today. There were a couple of plays where everyone thought he was coming out of the game.

The espn 980 broadcast with Larry, Chris and Sonny mentioned this a couple of times as well as his limping after plays.

At 7:30 in the 3rd, the fat, slow, injured guy that hasn't bought in was chasing the fumble recovery like a banshee. He outran three guys standing next to him to try to stop the touchdown.

Pick on somebody else. He probably shouldn't be playing hurt in meaningless games but like others have said, he is an absolute baller.

SO, the pain in his swollen, gimpy knee that he doctors and rehabs through the week so he can come play left tackle for us on Sundays is a reason other than the head coach why his play has regressed.

Geez.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

Hello straw man! Nobody said Trent was the problem.

The entire first paragraph of your post was all about TW being a problem. Lol


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