The everything Gruden thread

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

If you think Jay Gruden came and cursed some magical franchise, well then you're an idiot



At the same time, Jay was neither the Redskins' first choice, nor were they his. So off the bat, it's been kind of a shaky relationship



I still think he's here one more year. And then he's gone

Was your last statement meant to mean you think he will fail next year, or that if he fails next year he will be gone? It seems to be the former.


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[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Was your last statement meant to mean you think he will fail next year, or that if he fails next year he will be gone? It seems to be the former.


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It means I don't think he'll make enough of an impression to make it to year 3. I've heard a lot of people say he's got 2 years to prove himself. People with influential power

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It means I don't think he'll make enough of an impression to make it to year 3. I've heard a lot of people say he's got 2 years to prove himself. People with influential power

I think that if we improve the oline and db's - get a real DC, and we win even 7-9 games that he will get another year to draft a qb.


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[Bucket]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It means I don't think he'll make enough of an impression to make it to year 3. I've heard a lot of people say he's got 2 years to prove himself. People with influential power

I can understand that. If you put two consecutive losing seasons together then it's hard to justify keeping. Unless improvement is shown

[SolidSnake84]

Everything i've seen and read says that Gruden is gone at the end of the season. One article said that a "furious" Snyder considered firing Gruden in the days following the RG3 benching, but he was basically talked down by Bruce Allen and other top advisors.

It was made clear that the next Head Coach is not going to have much say / input on personnel decisions, and one of the first issues addressed when they go out and get a new HC is that RG3 is the unquestionable starter.

I kind of wonder who they are going to find. In my opinion as of late people aren't exactly breaking down the door wanting to work for the redskins...

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Everything i've seen and read says that Gruden is gone at the end of the season. One article said that a "furious" Snyder considered firing Gruden in the days following the RG3 benching, but he was basically talked down by Bruce Allen and other top advisors.

It was made clear that the next Head Coach is not going to have much say / input on personnel decisions, and one of the first issues addressed when they go out and get a new HC is that RG3 is the unquestionable starter.

I kind of wonder who they are going to find. In my opinion as of late people aren't exactly breaking down the door wanting to work for the redskins...

That sounds like the drama mama version of the story. I doubt he is gone this year.

[jamf]

Originally Posted by mredskins

That sounds like the drama mama version of the story. I doubt he is gone this year.

I agree!
Can't trust anonymous sources from Redskins park.
Last week, the big head line was Snyder and Allen gave up on RG3.
Today it's another story.

Realistically, the truth is somewhere in the middle.
RG3 Regressed and Gruden has a shitshow of a team.

We could go into 2016 without either of them.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mredskins

That sounds like the drama mama version of the story. I doubt he is gone this year.

His contract is guaranteed so yeah, I doubt Snyder wants to pay him $25M for one season worth of work.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It means I don't think he'll make enough of an impression to make it to year 3. I've heard a lot of people say he's got 2 years to prove himself. People with influential power

And here lies the problem.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

And here lies the problem.

I don't see that as a problem. He ought to be able to show substantial progress in two years if he's any good.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I don't see that as a problem. He ought to be able to show substantial progress in two years if he's any good.

And then roll in another hc, another philosophy, switch out player personel...no that's not enough time.

This team is in perpetual disfunction with this thinking

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

And then roll in another hc, another philosophy, switch out player personel...no that's not enough time.

This team is in perpetual disfunction with this thinking

Keep rolling in HC's every two years until he finds the right one is exactly what I think Snyder should do. If he hired the wrong man, the problem must be fixed. More years of the wrong man doesn't fix anything. What will fix it is hiring the right man. I would go no more than two years with any coach who has failed to significantly improve the team during that time. Three more years of misery with a failed HC serves no purpose. I'd rather switch out some player personnel after two years than to endure a poor HC for five years.

We all know that the odds of Snyder hiring the right person are very low but if he keeps trying he might get lucky.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Keep rolling in HC's every two years until he finds the right one is exactly what I think Snyder should do. If he hired the wrong man, the problem must be fixed. More years of the wrong man doesn't fix anything. What will fix it is hiring the right man. I would go no more than two years with any coach who has failed to significantly improve the team during that time. Three more years of misery with a failed HC serves no purpose. I'd rather switch out some player personnel after two years than to endure a poor HC for five years.

We all know that the odds of Snyder hiring the right person are very low but if he keeps trying he might get lucky.

This is a good post - but my Question is - if Snyder absolutely insists that RG3 is the starter (which almost everything i've read seems to confirm), then no Coach is going to be able to win with the guy. How many years do we suck with RG3 before Snyder finally admits the whole trade was a bad idea? Somebody somewhere on here said we have to give him 8 years. That is wayy to long IMO - i see 8 years of losing seasons...

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Keep rolling in HC's every two years until he finds the right one is exactly what I think Snyder should do. If he hired the wrong man, the problem must be fixed. More years of the wrong man doesn't fix anything. What will fix it is hiring the right man. I would go no more than two years with any coach who has failed to significantly improve the team during that time. Three more years of misery with a failed HC serves no purpose. I'd rather switch out some player personnel after two years than to endure a poor HC for five years.

We all know that the odds of Snyder hiring the right person are very low but if he keeps trying he might get lucky.

Disagree especially based on the fact this is a rookie hc. But, as I said before, this organization is going nowhere until things are fixed in the front office

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Keep rolling in HC's every two years until he finds the right one is exactly what I think Snyder should do. If he hired the wrong man, the problem must be fixed. More years of the wrong man doesn't fix anything. What will fix it is hiring the right man. I would go no more than two years with any coach who has failed to significantly improve the team during that time. Three more years of misery with a failed HC serves no purpose. I'd rather switch out some player personnel after two years than to endure a poor HC for five years.

We all know that the odds of Snyder hiring the right person are very low but if he keeps trying he might get lucky.

Nicely done.