The everything Gruden thread

[skinsguy]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'm not going to be too upset if Gruden is retained or fired. I'll be more upset if there is no change in the front office at all.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'm not going to be too upset if Gruden is retained or fired. I'll be more upset if there is no change in the front office at all.

Winner winner chicken dinner!

[Kope]

I understand going for it on 4th and whaterver calls when we are getting hammered...mostly

But why the hell did we not kick a field goal get points and go into the half? It would have been 13-7 and getting the ball back at the half.....

soooo reminicent of the swinging gate, inventing ways to lose

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Kope

I understand going for it on 4th and whaterver calls when we are getting hammered...mostly

But why the hell did we not kick a field goal get points and go into the half? It would have been 13-7 and getting the ball back at the half.....

soooo reminicent of the swinging gate, inventing ways to lose

wasnt there 11 seconds or so on the clock?

that should be more than enough time if your QB understands he cant run a 12 second play that doesnt result in a TD.

5 seconds or less, you kick the field goal.

[Kope]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

wasnt there 11 seconds or so on the clock?

that should be more than enough time if your QB understands he cant run a 12 second play that doesnt result in a TD.

5 seconds or less, you kick the field goal.

Most cases in the NFL I would agree with you 100%. But this is not most cases in the NFL, and I would have tried to make sure the team got some sort of points before the half. Just pissed me off we got nothing. I think it was the right call too....that made me more mad.

So clear from my armchair tho

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Kope

Most cases in the NFL I would agree with you 100%. But this is not most cases in the NFL, and I would have tried to make sure the team got some sort of points before the half. Just pissed me off we got nothing. I think it was the right call too....that made me more mad.

So clear from my armchair tho

I thought he called a pass play that went bust and the QB took off.

He shouldn't have to explain the situation to a 3rd year NFL professional quarterback who can look up at the clock and realize he needs to make a quick completion or incompletion to save enough time to kick a FG.

It's all "ifs" and "buts" though. If it was a TD he would have been a hero.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

I thought he called a pass play that went bust and the QB took off.

He shouldn't have to explain the situation to a 3rd year NFL professional quarterback who can look up at the clock and realize he needs to make a quick completion or incompletion to save enough time to kick a FG.

It's all "ifs" and "buts" though. If it was a TD he would have been a hero.

Yep....throw the ball away...kick the field goal.
The guy is not a good game manager.
Trade his narrow ass ASAP.....

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'm not going to be too upset if Gruden is retained or fired. I'll be more upset if there is no change in the front office at all.

I can agree with this sentiment. Without major (not just giving AJ Smith the GM title) front office/football operations/philisophical changes, it doesn't matter if Jay Gruden, Jon Gruden, Jim Gruden, Jack Gruden or Jesus Gruden is on the sidelines. The results will still be the same. As it relates to Gruden for me, in the midst of the mess, I haven't seen anything that's encouraging to me that even with those changes that he's capable of making us a winner.