Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015

[30gut]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I dont know if people have said he refuses to,but its no secret that he doesnt want to.Him and his dad made that clear going into the 2013 season,hence thats what Shanny was eluding to in his interview.

Wait you did actually see him running read-option right?

See this is exactly what I'm talking about. Despite ACTUALLY BEING SHOWN ON FILM you're going off what Mike Shanahan said. SMH I don't know what to say. Its a no win situation. Lol, his dad.

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

far as pocket presence goes,I've been complaining about it since 2013,its obvious he doesnt have it.It was on numerous scouting reports coming out of college{which I have posted before}
The pistol def helped mask that in 2012 and it wasnt an issue.Once the pistol started to be phased out and the knee injury took away his athleticism and confidence it became very apparent his pocket presence was for shit

I would like to see these numerous college reports saying Griffin lacks pocket presence.

What did the pistol due to mask Griffin's lack of pocket presence.

[Evilgrin]

Griffin had alot more of it when he as a rookie, he got away from guys using his legs. That guy looks like he is gone though, I don't see it anymore.

Also Gruden is an idiot, and needs to get booted asap.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Wait you did actually see him running read-option right?

See this is exactly what I'm talking about. Despite ACTUALLY BEING SHOWN ON FILM you're going off what Mike Shanahan said. SMH I don't know what to say. Its a no win situation. Lol, his dad.

I would like to see these numerous college reports saying Griffin lacks pocket presence.

What did the pistol due to mask Griffin's lack of pocket presence.

Am I in the drunk thread? I never said he didnt run it,just that him and his dad made it clear to whoever would listen he wanted to be a dropback passer going into the 2013 season,I never said he refused to run it or didnt run it,just that he let it be known he didnt want to run it.

As for the scouting reports,Ive posted them before 2 or 3 times,I dont feel like looking them up again,Im sure you can google RG3 college scouting reports and find them.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Of course he had to stand in the pocket. We didn't bootleg every play.



I don't mean in terms of rhetoric. Functionally how can playcalling mask lack of pocket presence? I am asking because the article put out the idea that pocket presence can't be improved. So how did this playcalling magically mask Griffin's lack of pocket presence enough to create to become one of the top offenses in the NFL? What did that playcalling do to mask it?



I would like to know where you're coming from.

Ill be as simple as i can.
In 2012 RG-3 was about as far from a pocket passer as an NFL QB can be due to scheme. This masked the fact that he is not a good pocket passer. I was completely unaware this was a secret until now.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by 30gut

What did the pistol due to mask Griffin's lack of pocket presence.

I think the offense they ran in 2012 slowed the rush. When rushed, Griffin definitely took a lot of shots. But being in the pistol and faking the handoff on the zone read froze a lot of DEs. He wasn't under pressure as often, and he delivered the ball to the first read effectively.

But defenses caught onto the patterns that the Shanahans liked to run out of that formation, and they schemed to take away the first and second read.

Now of course Gruden is trying to take him in more of a traditional drop back QB. Maybe that's a mistake. But if Griffin were to keep running for 500+ yards per season I don't like his chances of staying healthy. And I'm not sure he's got the ability to become a drop-back QB. I'm just not sure about him at all.

But I'm hoping. Hoping hard for some signs of life this last season.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

Am I in the drunk thread? I never said he didnt run it,just that him and his dad made it clear to whoever would listen he wanted to be a dropback passer going into the 2013 season,I never said he refused to run it or didnt run it,just that he let it be known he didnt want to run it.

I must be in the high thread then.

Okay lets try this then. Since I can't argue all the behind the scenes speculations.
Would you agree that its fair to say that however Griffin feels about read-option he will run in fact do it? As evidenced but him actually running read option in 2013 less then 8 months after reconstructive knee surgery?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I must be in the high thread then.

Okay lets try this then. Since I can't argue all the behind the scenes speculations.
Would you agree that its fair to say that however Griffin feels about read-option he will run in fact do it? As evidenced but him actually running read option in 2013 less then 8 months after reconstructive knee surgery?

I've seen Kirk and McCoy run a few read option plays in the pre season. Jay hasn't called them for Robert. But I do believe that's the ace up his sleeve, I think he'll call them some.

Robert still has the explosiveness, see that end-of-half dash for the TD against the Giants last year, the one where he fumbled the ball as he crossed the goalline. He has the explosion back. I still don't think he knows how to avoid contact well, but if Jay gets him running a bit, I think he'll do better.

If you're Robert, and it's essentially your contract year with everything to prove, I have to think you'd be willing to run the read option. Or do anything to earn a job / second contract. Especially when next season is guaranteed for $16M against injury.

If asked he will run it, and run it hard. Question is how much does Jay call it. We'll see.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Ill be as simple as i can.
In 2012 RG-3 was about as far from a pocket passer as an NFL QB can be due to scheme. This masked the fact that he is not a good pocket passer. I was completely unaware this was a secret until now.

So you're argument amounts to the 2012 pistol offense masked Griffin's lack of pocket presence because it masked his lack of pocket presence. Okay got it. Thanks.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by 30gut

So you're argument amounts to the 2012 pistol offense masked Griffin's lack of pocket presence because it masked his lack of pocket presence. Okay got it. Thanks.

Wow. Someone just cant handle the damn truth. Apparently you are the only person in the world who did not realize that the Redskins are trying to make Griff more of a POCKET PASSER and that this requires more of a POCKET PRESENCE/AWARENESS. My God can this be over now?
Edit: there is really nothing to argue as much as you are trying to turn this into one.

[kingj]

@granthpaulsen: We polled #Redskins fans on FB. Who do you want starting at QB? Crazy.
Cousins, 406 votes, 77%
Griffin, 91 votes, 17%
McCoy, 30 votes, 6%.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by kingj

@granthpaulsen: We polled #Redskins fans on FB. Who do you want starting at QB? Crazy.
Cousins, 406 votes, 77%
Griffin, 91 votes, 17%
McCoy, 30 votes, 6%.

2 things driving this..."best QB comment" and then the sh*t show that was detriot at home.

folks are tired of this jackass. Cousins shuts up and goes to work, that who I want at QB

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I think the offense they ran in 2012 slowed the rush. When rushed, Griffin definitely took a lot of shots. But being in the pistol and faking the handoff on the zone read froze a lot of DEs. He wasn't under pressure as often, and he delivered the ball to the first read effectively.

I know and I agree. Read-option does a lot to slow down the rush. But, the OL still wasn't good that year and Griffin still performed well. Griffin was pressured on 35% of his throw which was top 10 in NFL. You know who was the TOP QB in terms of accuracy under pressure? Guess.
Rookies at the Top

If I gave everyone reading this a chance to guess the two most accurate quarterbacks under pressure, I’d bet a very small percentage would have come back with the right answer. Robert Griffin III and Ryan Tannehill are currently first and second, respectively, in Accuracy Percentage under pressure.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...nder-pressure/

I know there is a lot of Griffin burying going on. I considered him buried a long time ago. But we gotta at least be accurate when burying the guy. Maybe it easier on some people to forget who good he was but to act like he lacked pocket presence in 2012 is going too far. Griffin stepped up, slide, side-stepped, scrambled and made plays. People are acting as if being under siege in the Lions preseason is the sum of his pocket presence. Its classic prisoner of the moment over reaction.

Also in case people are going attribute 2012 all to play action(pistol offense). Here are Griff's numbers without any play-action at all (drop back passing):

192/230--8 TDs--1 INT---66 comp%--1094 YDs-QB rating or 93.

Now of course Gruden is trying to take him in more of a traditional drop back QB. Maybe that's a mistake. But if Griffin were to keep running for 500+ yards per season I don't like his chances of staying healthy. And I'm not sure he's got the ability to become a drop-back QB. I'm just not sure about him at all.

But I'm hoping. Hoping hard for some signs of life this last season.

Griffin wouldn't even need to run for a lot of yards to be effective in zone-read. The Eagles have imo one of the best offenses in the league (i know, i know everyone here hates Kelly) and their QBs don't run for a ton of yards.

I think Griffin can become a rhythm drop back passer, I don't think WCO is the best fit for him because he's more of power thrower then a finesse thrower and I have even more doubts that Jay is the guy to turn him into a drop back passer.

I have no idea what Jay is trying to do this year. He hasn't shown anything with the 1st string offense. Its been the definition of vanilla. 1st down under center vanilla. But the 2nd-3rd unit playcalling has been more creative. Personally I don't understand nor agree with his approach to the preseason with the first unit.
But different coaches have different approaches to preseason.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Yeah right. Pull up the draft poll and see who didn't like the trade day one. Myself, SFredskin and that's probably it. Never liked the trade and nearly got ran off the board by you guys. Lol.

You actually had a few that didn't like the trade. I voted YES because it was a 2 option poll. The reality of my thoughts were here.

http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-...tml#post894789


I had no problem with RG3 the prospect. However, I wouldn't have given up that much to move up for him. Too bad that it wasn't Mike Holmgren that made that mistake instead of us.


It's great looking back at some of those threads. GTripp was almost right on this.. Luck did lead the Colts to the playoffs that year. I thought Tripp was high on drugs with that prediction...lol

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

But I think Andrew Luck will actually get the (somewhat undeserved) rookie of the year award when he leads the Colts to the playoffs in the NFL's weakest division.

Hell...even CultBrennan was spot on....lol

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Heres one of the major differences between Cam and RG3; Cam never gets injured. RG3 has torn his ACL at least once in his career. Cam is 6'5 250, RG3 is "6'2" 220...Cam can take those hits and make those cuts in the nfl, RG3 may blow out his knee game 3 he's more fragile and frail than cam.

All in all, it's fun to look back and say I TOLD YOU SO, but even a broken clock is right twice a day. Enjoy traveling back down memory lane guys..

[30gut]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Wow. Someone just cant handle the damn truth. Apparently you are the only person in the world who did not realize that the Redskins are trying to make Griff more of a POCKET PASSER and that this requires more of a POCKET PRESENCE/AWARENESS. My God can this be over now?
Edit: there is really nothing to argue as much as you are trying to turn this into one.

Stop.
Don't move the goal posts.

We were talking about your comment that Griffin lacked pocket presence in 2012.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

2 things driving this..."best QB comment" and then the sh*t show that was detriot at home.

folks are tired of this jackass. Cousins shuts up and goes to work, that who I want at QB

You can add a third reason, RGme's play on the field the last two years has been terrible. How much longer will we be forced to watch Griffin struggle at QB?