Around the Nfl week 5

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Originally Posted by Stacks42

The L. Donnell catch in NY to end the game... Does it seem to anyone else that that ball moved around quite a bit? When he actually had control his back was out of bounds.



Not sour grapes, but wondering why nobody is talking about that?

He had possession clearly when his back landed out of bounds. And I was miserable about it. He held the ball. No doubt.

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Originally Posted by Giantone

No ,not even close but I bet they change the signal.

Wouldnt say "not even close" simply because .... Well....IT WAS ABOUT AS CLOSE AS U CAN GET! lol
They are definitely changing that signal.
I agree that there is no way he meant TO, but who the feck decided that would jive as an in game signal?

[skinsfaninok]

This mnf game is boring as fff

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Phillip Rivers is such a good qb, and I feel like his career is wasted in SD.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Phillip Rivers is such a good qb, and I feel like his career is wasted in SD.

He's missing 3 starters on the OL, they are banged up.

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Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

He's missing 3 starters on the OL, they are banged up.

Are u saying that because its more impressive watching him work with the lack of help in front of him, or because if SD had those three back it wouldnt be a waste of his career?
The guy is such a good qb, but when you start rattling off the best he is always sort of an afterthought.
So many other teams that if he played on all these years would have resulted in championships, and he would be mentioned alot quicker in the best qb in the league conversation.

[skinsfaninok]

What a finish last night, vick played great in the 4th I knew it was a matter of time for him to have a big play or 2

[JoeRedskin]

I stopped watching at the half and thought "Wow ... Vick really sucks."

What did he do in the fourth that turned it around?

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I stopped watching at the half and thought "Wow ... Vick really sucks."



What did he do in the fourth that turned it around?

Made a couple plays with his feet. Scrambled around and tossed one deep, about a 30 yard run rite down their gut. Appeared rather fast on the run. He definitely saved their asses in the fourth.
Edit: had me thinking about what Griff is capable of. However I quickly put that thought to rest for my sanity's sake.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I stopped watching at the half and thought "Wow ... Vick really sucks."

What did he do in the fourth that turned it around?

He had 2 drives that were full of highlight reel plays. Had a long td (maybe 40 yards in the air followed by a good run), and then on the winning drive he converted 3 3rd downs (I think a 6yd pass, a 10 yard pass and a 25 yard through the center of the defense scramble. Then had a pass to the 1/2 yd line with 5 seconds to go, and had a timeout left because after his 25 yd scramble he had the presence of mind to get a quick formation and spike rather than burn a timeout. I'm not a fan of his, but you watch those drives, after the offense had 10 yards in the 2nd half to put together those two scoring drives, 1 bomb, 1 long drive with time running out, was damn impressive.

[skinsfaninok]

Vick has always had the talent and he was a good starting QB his problem has been his arm isn't accurate enough to ever have. Been a franchise passer.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Phillip Rivers is such a good qb, and I feel like his career is wasted in SD.

Yeah but god damn is living in San Diego the good life!

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Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Yeah but god damn is living in San Diego the good life!

Oh I know. I lived in Ocean Beach for a spell. Best weather on earth and so much to do. Plus really good mexican food.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Made a couple plays with his feet. Scrambled around and tossed one deep, about a 30 yard run rite down their gut. Appeared rather fast on the run. He definitely saved their asses in the fourth.
Edit: had me thinking about what Griff is capable of. However I quickly put that thought to rest for my sanity's sake.

It's funny you should say that. When I was watching his sucky first half - scrambling around, taking sacks, making inaccurate throws, failing to take what the defense was giving, etc., I thought "Man, he looks just like Griffin." Then they flashed his horrible accuracy rating and his sack percentage (highest of any QB with 1000 snaps) and I thought "Yup - exactly like Griffin." (Maybe not the accuracy part).

So, yeah, Vick and Griffin have a lot of comparables both from the positive and negative aspect. Even in his prime, I thought it would be impossible to build a regular winner around Vick b/c - although undeniable - his talent was so unique and his style so reckless that, in any offense designed for him to be successful, the rest of the team was screwed if he went down. That was pretty much (except the comeback year in Philly) the story of his career and is why - IMHO - the long term success of QB's like Vick and RGIII is so limited.

KC is not a good QB. BUT, you can plug any number of not-RGIII's or Michael Vick's into Jay's system and have the same or better success. With this offense, the rest of the team can develop consistency and good "football anticipation" (i.e. knowing how plays work and what your teammates are going to do so that you can focus on the D or the play's second level) until we find a QB who won't throw it to the other team at critical moments.

I am on the fence about Gruden - not convinced he or his system makes players "better." At the same time, his system is consistent with so many others out there such that, if a switch is eventually made, it will hopefully not require the "burn it to the ground" approach that Kelly felt necessary in Philly.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

KC is not a good QB. BUT, you can plug any number of not-RGIII's or Michael Vick's into Jay's system and have the same or better success. With this offense, the rest of the team can develop consistency and good "football anticipation" (i.e. knowing how plays work and what your teammates are going to do so that you can focus on the D or the play's second level) until we find a QB who won't throw it to the other team at critical moments.

Kirk managing a clock-eating 90-yard 4th qtr drive to beat Philly and a long drive with less than 45 seconds left to send the Atlanta game into OT in back-to-back weeks isn't good enough for you? He is a developing QB and you seem to expect him to play like John Elway on a weekly basis. That's not realistic or fair, IMO.

Jay Gruden says Kirk is getting better and I'll take his word for it. In due time, we'll find out if he's a keeper but I think it's still too soon to judge.