In Scot we trust?

[MTK]

McCloughan was also in successful front offices in Green Bay and SF, so let's stop with this nonsense like he doesn't know what he's doing.

[PorkSkins]

Originally Posted by MTK

McCloughan was also in successful front offices in Green Bay and SF, so let's stop with this nonsense like he doesn't know what he's doing.

Agree. I see some kneejerking and short-sightedness going on here, per yesterday's dismal showing.

He's only been on the job for 2 years. We've had winning records in both seasons, along with a playoff berth and a divisional title.

His first draft is actually alright. Scherff and Crowder are definite "keepers."

Preston Smith looked like one a season ago, but didn't take the leap that I thought he would take this season. But, I still wouldn't give up on him. I also believe his game might take off with a better coordinator and, possibly, better personnel around him. If Matt Jones can take care of his fumbling issues, then he's more than serviceable. Some players fumble their way out of the league, while a few take care of that particular problem.

Martrell Spaight could eventually turn into a starter, as a 5th round pick from SMAC's first draft. Kyshoen Jarrett was actually playing well, as a 6th round rookie last season until his awful injury.

You can't really get a read on a draft until the third season of said draft, and McCloughan's first draft was actually a decent class.

This past draft hasn't paid immediate dividends, as Cravens was the only player who truly contributed. Fuller had his issues, and was finally benched. Of course, Doctson with his achilles injury. Again, it typically takes three seasons before you can truly grade a draft class.

The only bad move(s) made by SMAC was this past season FA acquisitions. I believe most of those dudes will be shortly relieved of their duties. I think we'll see a different way about going after defensive personnel--via free agency and the draft-- this offseason. I also hope we find another defensive coordinator in the process.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by MTK

McCloughan was also in successful front offices in Green Bay and SF, so let's stop with this nonsense like he doesn't know what he's doing.

Well he did not run anything in Green Bay. He was a scout. When we look at San Francisco he was released in 2010. Before they became really good, and alot of those defensive studs he helped acquire turned out to be nut jobs and criminals. Kaep had alot to do with their couple years of success. So did Harbaugh. If you really read between the lines you could make the case that he did very little for either of those teams?
Time will tell what he brings to the table here, but as it stands rite now it has been mediocre at best.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Well he did not run anything in Green Bay. He was a scout. When we look at San Francisco he was released in 2010. Before they became really good, and alot of those defensive studs he helped acquire turned out to be nut jobs and criminals. Kaep had alot to do with their couple years of success. So did Harbaugh. If you really read between the lines you could make the case that he did very little for either of those teams?
Time will tell what he brings to the table here, but as it stands rite now it has been mediocre at best.

Sure, if you just want to make things up.

Who were the multiple nut jobs and criminals in SF? Did they not get to a SB with a roster that he played a significant role in building?

In the end his resume speaks for itself. You're acting like we just went 4-12 the last 2 years. Just a handful of guys he is responsible for drafting:

Alex Smith
Frank Gore
Vernon Davis
Delanie Walker
Patrick Willis
Joe Staley
Michael Crabtree
Russell Okung
Earl Thomas
Golden Tate
Kam Chancellor
Richard Sherman
Russell Wilson
Byron Maxwell
Bobby Wagner

Come on man.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by MTK

Sure, if you just want to make things up.

Who were the multiple nut jobs and criminals in SF? Did they not get to a SB with a roster that he played a significant role in building?

In the end his resume speaks for itself. You're acting like we just went 4-12 the last 2 years. Just a handful of guys he is responsible for drafting:

Alex Smith
Frank Gore
Vernon Davis
Delanie Walker
Patrick Willis
Joe Staley
Michael Crabtree
Russell Okung
Earl Thomas
Golden Tate
Kam Chancellor
Richard Sherman
Russell Wilson
Byron Maxwell
Bobby Wagner

Come on man.

Was just about to post the same list. You beat me to it. How anybody complains about Scot Mccloughan after two winning seasons is beyond my comprehension.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by MTK

Sure, if you just want to make things up.



Who were the multiple nut jobs and criminals in SF? Did they not get to a SB with a roster that he played a significant role in building?



In the end his resume speaks for itself. You're acting like we just went 4-12 the last 2 years. Just a handful of guys he is responsible for drafting:



Alex Smith

Frank Gore

Vernon Davis

Delanie Walker

Patrick Willis

Joe Staley

Michael Crabtree

Russell Okung

Earl Thomas

Golden Tate

Kam Chancellor

Richard Sherman

Russell Wilson

Byron Maxwell

Bobby Wagner



Come on man.

Just seems like San Fran players are in trouble every year. Maybe not his guys. Aldon Smith was not I believe. He is probably responsible for half of the arrests. Lol
A lot of those guys on your list, as we mentioned, maybe were Schneider guys. Even so that list dates back to 2005. That is 11 years. It is a good pick or two a year.
Alex Smith was a no brainer. The consensus number one at the time. Not rocket science there.
Guys like Crowder are the ones that make a gm great. Full credit there. Over the last 11 years how many gems has he found? Again read between the lines. To say hey he took that stud out of college with that top ten pick well only guys like Vinny trade those away.
I am not saying Scot is a failure per say. I am just pumping the breaks on the idea he is Bobby Beathard 2.0.
Certainly not acting like we went 4-12. I have used the word mediocre several times. Mediocre as in 6-9 wins.
You guys are the ones acting like we won 4 games a year for 20 years until 2015. That is simply not the case. As I pointed out earlier we won 7-9 games 9 different years during the dark ages. There is not a whole shit ton of change here as we would all like to believe. We had two seasons in a row that we did not absolutely crap the bed. That is great. Lets remember how god awful the nfc east was last year though.
Time will tell if we are truly trending up or if we are the same old mediocre team. The other night we had it all there for the taking. A home game with a playoff birth on the line, and our run defense allowed the Giants their first and only hundred yard rusher of the season, our hc had a major brain fart at half, our oline was atrocious, our quarterback was awful. So excuse me for thinking that maybe we are the same old Skins.

[OmahaRedskins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Well he did not run anything in Green Bay. He was a scout. When we look at San Francisco he was released in 2010. Before they became really good, and alot of those defensive studs he helped acquire turned out to be nut jobs and criminals. Kaep had alot to do with their couple years of success. So did Harbaugh. If you really read between the lines you could make the case that he did very little for either of those teams?
Time will tell what he brings to the table here, but as it stands rite now it has been mediocre at best.

Two winning records in his first two seasons and a trip to the playoffs. You are correct, mediocre at best.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by MTK

McCloughan was also in successful front offices in Green Bay and SF, so let's stop with this nonsense like he doesn't know what he's doing.

Losing does this to most fans. I understand it sucks we didn't make a push this yr but it happens. We all said 9 wins would be a good season so now y is everyone so down and out?? We basically won 9 games if DH makes that gimme FG

[OmahaRedskins]

I think it hurts more this year, because our kicker lost us two games. With an average kicker, we could have been 10-6. This would be an improvement from last year playing a harder schedule.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Losing does this to most fans. I understand it sucks we didn't make a push this yr but it happens. We all said 9 wins would be a good season so now y is everyone so down and out?? We basically won 9 games if DH makes that gimme FG

I feel like most fan predictions were 7-9 wins.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by MTK

I feel like most fan predictions were 7-9 wins.

I predicted 10-11 i think. Guess i had too high of expectations which would explain my disdain with how the season just unfolded.
Being somewhat relevant is a good thing, but i have this feeling things are going to get worse before they get better yet again. Chalk it up to two decades.
Right now i would put my money on a 5 win season over a ten win season next year if those were my choices and one was the truth.
Just too many questions and holes imo still.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I predicted 10-11 i think. Guess i had too high of expectations which would explain my disdain with how the season just unfolded.
Being somewhat relevant is a good thing, but i have this feeling things are going to get worse before they get better yet again. Chalk it up to two decades.
Right now i would put my money on a 5 win season over a ten win season next year if those were my choices and one was the truth.
Just too many questions and holes imo still.

I'd take that bet, how about $100 says we're closer to 10 wins than 5.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by MTK

I'd take that bet, how about $100 says we're closer to 10 wins than 5.

Well the question did not include an "or somewhere in between" clause. It was either 10 or 5. Tried to leave a wide margin between options for the sake of the question. I certainly do not expect them to win five. However if somehow I had a peek into the future and was told it would be either 5 or 10 I would choose 5 - albeit id be surprised by that number - just not as surprised as i would be with 10. I expect them to win 7-9 actually and if If i take your bet - with my luck - they would win 8 and id be pissed off at the season and out 100 bucks. Lol.

I would consider 100 dollars on whether or not they make the playoffs.....if i were a gambling man.