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[SunnySide]

Biden didnt cause this .. the Taliban did.

I envision Foxnews and neo-cons to blame President Biden for every single thing the Taliban does going forward.

If we withdrew on May 1 or now .. the result would be the same. The Taliban sucks.

We are watching the neo con news spin team doing overtime here.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Biden didnt cause this .. the Taliban did.

I envision Foxnews and neo-cons to blame President Biden for every single thing the Taliban does going forward.

If we withdrew on May 1 or now .. the result would be the same. The Taliban sucks.

We are watching the neo con news spin team doing overtime here.

Oh and all the other news sites too (Even CNN). It's not like it is only right leaning media and politicians blaming him for this it is just about all media and politicians left and right. Yeah it was Biden's fault, it would have been Trump's fault if he had been in power as he planned to execute the same idiotic policy.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by nonniey

Oh and all the other news sites too (Even CNN). It's not like it is only right leaning media and politicians blaming him for this it is just about all media and politicians left and right. Yeah it was Biden's fault, it would have been Trump's fault if he had been in power as he planned to execute the same idiotic policy.

Do you think FOX would come down on trump like everyone has done Biden?? (rightfully so)

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Do you think FOX would come down on trump like everyone has done Biden?? (rightfully so)

No fuckin way.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Do you think FOX would come down on trump like everyone has done Biden?? (rightfully so)

Chris Wallace would but the rest probably not.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by nonniey

Chris Wallace would but the rest probably not.

True

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by nonniey

Oh and all the other news sites too (Even CNN). It's not like it is only right leaning media and politicians blaming him for this it is just about all media and politicians left and right. Yeah it was Biden's fault, it would have been Trump's fault if he had been in power as he planned to execute the same idiotic policy.

Ill keep repeating myself Trump would have walked away and possibly had a ceremony in the rose garden to celebrate amid the ensuing chaos. Fox would have been playing hail to the chief as they floated a possible nobel peace prize. At least Biden is not ignoring the situation. Trump would have flown 1000 Americans out and said it was all fake news and a witch hunt.
See the insurrection. See the kurds. See rocket man. See hate crimes that were at a boiling point because of his mouth. I agree it was a fuck up none the less. Trump would have done the same as you have said many times and would not have tried to make it right.
Biden should be expressing major remorse about his decision at this point besides what he is doing behind the scenes to try and make it right though. Im thoroughly disappointed in the way he is still talking about the mess.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Ill keep repeating myself Trump would have walked away and possibly had a ceremony in the rose garden to celebrate amid the ensuing chaos. Fox would have been playing hail to the chief as they floated a possible nobel peace prize. At least Biden is not ignoring the situation. Trump would have flown 1000 Americans out and said it was all fake news and a witch hunt.
See the insurrection. See the kurds. See rocket man. See hate crimes that were at a boiling point because of his mouth. I agree it was a fuck up none the less. Trump would have done the same as you have said many times and would not have tried to make it right.
Biden should be expressing major remorse about his decision at this point besides what he is doing behind the scenes to try and make it right though. Im thoroughly disappointed in the way he is still talking about the mess.

Re: Trump you are peaching to the choir. I have no doubt Trump would have been even worse given his history. But right now there are 10-15k (maybe more) Americans trapped in Taliban controlled territory, some of them, maybe even many of them, aren't going to make it out. Biden turned a stable situation into a catastrophe.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by nonniey

Re: Trump you are peaching to the choir. I have no doubt Trump would have been even worse given his history. But right now there are 10-15k (maybe more) Americans trapped in Taliban controlled territory, some of them, maybe even many of them, aren't going to make it out. Biden turned a stable situation into a catastrophe.

Agreed. And I know i was preaching to the choir. There are many afghan allies, all their families, and other foreign allies also trapped. The longer the cameras and media stay there the better. If the Taliban knows the World is watching they will behave to an extent.
I do find myself wondering how it would have been possible to get all those mentioned out whether we had 2500 troops there or not. Stable situation before? Yes. Everyone singing kumbaya not exactly. So I hesitate to say that there was some yellow brick road before for everyone- especially the Afghanistans that helped us and their families. You are talking mass exodus. Biden could have done an expert job and there would be problems. But he certainly could have cut the losses. Im praying for everyone- EVERYONE- in danger to get out and I hope to God Biden does everything in his power to clean up the mess that he was largely in charge of.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Agreed. And I know i was preaching to the choir. There are many afghan allies, all their families, and other foreign allies also trapped. The longer the cameras and media stay there the better. If the Taliban knows the World is watching they will behave to an extent.
I do find myself wondering how it would have been possible to get all those mentioned out whether we had 2500 troops there or not. Stable situation before? Yes. Everyone singing kumbaya not exactly. So I hesitate to say that there was some yellow brick road before for everyone- especially the Afghanistans that helped us and their families. You are talking mass exodus. Biden could have done an expert job and there would be problems. But he certainly could have cut the losses. Im praying for everyone- EVERYONE- in danger to get out and I hope to God Biden does everything in his power to clean up the mess that he was largely in charge of.

Well the point was we wouldn't have had to get them out if we stuck with what we were doing. Again 8-10 casualties a year and an occasional non military American casualty before last year then none for over a year. Now potentially thousands of American casualties (Oh and odds are some have already been killed). This idiocy is mind boggling. Seems we replaced one of the worst Presidents in US history with one of the worst Presidents in US history.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by nonniey

Well the point was we wouldn't have had to get them out if we stuck with what we were doing. Again 8-10 casualties a year and an occasional non military American casualty before last year then none for over a year. Now potentially thousands of American casualties (Oh and odds are some have already been killed). This idiocy is mind boggling. Seems we replaced one of the worst Presidents in US history with one of the worst Presidents in US history.

So why is everyone in favor of leaving? Forget the hack job exit for a moment, clearly the last few presidents, and most Americans wanted out.
Not in disagreement with you, seriously asking.