Sam howell takes Down Dallas postgame

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Not ready to crown #14 quite yet but he definitely showed be belongs. He threw a couple of great deep balls, used his legs well. Turner was awful once again, way too much running on first down and stupid ass gimmick play calling at the wrong time. Howell deserves a shot to compete for the job next year.

Howell showed he obviously has more upside than either of the other 2 guys. Wentz is absolutely gone.

I think it's better if Heinicke leaves too. Not because he did anything wrong. But he's not a starter either and he might be used as a security blanket next year.

Give me Howell, a mid-round pick for competition, and a cheap solid vet that knows his job is to be No. 2 on gamedays. And possibly a starter if someone gets hurt.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Howell showed he obviously has more upside than either of the other 2 guys. Wentz is absolutely gone.

I think it's better if Heinicke leaves too. Not because he did anything wrong. But he's not a starter either and he might be used as a security blanket next year.

Give me Howell, a mid-round pick for competition, and a cheap solid vet that knows his job is to be No. 2 on gamedays. And possibly a starter if someone gets hurt.

I'm fine with Heinicke coming back. He is as good as a back up as you're going to get. The goal of the backup is if your starter goes down then you can still win games w/ your back-up. Heinicke has proven he can do that. He knows his role.

Actually the more I think about it I'm making it a priority to resign him. Then I am drafting a QB, probably in the 4th round.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm fine with Heinicke coming back. He is as good as a back up as you're going to get. The goal of the backup is if your starter goes down then you can still win games w/ your back-up. Heinicke has proven he can do that. He knows his role.

Actually the more I think about it I'm making it a priority to resign him. Then I am drafting a QB, probably in the 4th round.

Heinicke is a great No. 2. If he was signed as exactly that, I'd be fine with it. But I'm assuming the same coaches are coming back next year. I don't trust this staff and Heinicke is due for a significant raise.

I'd rather go Howell, Mid-Round Pick, and a Brissett/Taylor/Dalton type veteran.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm fine with Heinicke coming back. He is as good as a back up as you're going to get. The goal of the backup is if your starter goes down then you can still win games w/ your back-up. Heinicke has proven he can do that. He knows his role.

Actually the more I think about it I'm making it a priority to resign him. Then I am drafting a QB, probably in the 4th round.

If you are going to bring TH back that is the way to do it. If not I think you have to draft a qb with 1st or 2nd if it grades out.

My initial thought on Howell is that we found short Daniel Jones which imo is fine. You can build around that and might even make the playoffs from time to time.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

If you are going to bring TH back that is the way to do it. If not I think you have to draft a qb with 1st or 2nd if it grades out.

My initial thought on Howell is that we found short Daniel Jones which imo is fine. You can build around that and might even make the playoffs from time to time.

I love how some of you underestimate Howell and compare him to a short Daniel Jones. He just beat your most hated rival with many odds against him (starters missing, Turner handcuffing him, etc.) next year you will be praising him, guaranteed!!!

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I love how some of you underestimate Howell and compare him to a short Daniel Jones. He just beat your most hated rival with many odds against him (starters missing, Turner handcuffing him, etc.) next year you will be praising him, guaranteed!!!

I hope so but odds are against him. Nobody drafted after 5th has gone on to be a quality starter over the last two decades so I’d prefer to think of my self as pragmatic. Also calling him a short Daniel Jones isn’t negative, If he could give us Daniel Jones production I could live with that and we can build a team around it, but I need to see more before I think he is a starter. I thought 19 passes and run heavy is the way you set him up for success (very similar to Jones).

Loved arm strength, he had an good touch on the ball, and his tucking and running but a few under thrown balls and few others into double and triple coverage, hope that is just first game jitters and not his game IQ.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I hope so but odds are against him. Nobody drafted after 5th has gone on to be a quality starter over the last two decades so I’d prefer to think of my self as pragmatic. Also calling him a short Daniel Jones isn’t negative, If he could give us Daniel Jones production I could live with that and we can build a team around it, but I need to see more before I think he is a starter. I thought 19 passes and run heavy is the way you set him up for success (very similar to Jones).

Loved arm strength, he had an good touch on the ball, and his tucking and running but a few under thrown balls and few others into double and triple coverage, hope that is just first game jitters and not his game IQ.

He threw 2 balls that were pass interference and weren't called, he went on the 5th because of his height and not talent. To me, he was the best QB of the draft.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I hope so but odds are against him. Nobody drafted after 5th has gone on to be a quality starter over the last two decades so I’d prefer to think of my self as pragmatic. Also calling him a short Daniel Jones isn’t negative, If he could give us Daniel Jones production I could live with that and we can build a team around it, but I need to see more before I think he is a starter. I thought 19 passes and run heavy is the way you set him up for success (very similar to Jones).

Loved arm strength, he had an good touch on the ball, and his tucking and running but a few under thrown balls and few others into double and triple coverage, hope that is just first game jitters and not his game IQ.

Howell wasn’t drafted after the fifth. He was the very first pick of the fifth. 144 overall. Not exactly Mr Irrelevant. Prescott was drafted 9 spots ahead of Howell.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Howell wasn’t drafted after the fifth. He was the very first pick of the fifth. 144 overall. Not exactly Mr Irrelevant. Prescott was drafted 9 spots ahead of Howell.

I meant 5th round and beyond. Dak is alo an exception and not the rule. Only him, Cousins and Kyle Orton have become long term starters out of 24 QBs drafted in the 4th in the last 20 years (Excluding Zappe and Ian Brook). That is a 12.5% hit rate, which is not great but probably expected. (There are a few decent back up QBs however) All I am saying is that The stats show the later the round the QB is drafted the less likely it is to hit. I am cautiously optimistic but that is all at this point.

QB drafts for any ones interest:
http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/qb

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I hope so but odds are against him. Nobody drafted after 5th has gone on to be a quality starter over the last two decades so I’d prefer to think of my self as pragmatic. Also calling him a short Daniel Jones isn’t negative, If he could give us Daniel Jones production I could live with that and we can build a team around it, but I need to see more before I think he is a starter. I thought 19 passes and run heavy is the way you set him up for success (very similar to Jones).

Loved arm strength, he had an good touch on the ball, and his tucking and running but a few under thrown balls and few others into double and triple coverage, hope that is just first game jitters and not his game IQ.

Just a side note , i really don't understand why folks get wrapped around the axel on what someone was drafted. I can understand the day of the draft but being picked first round doesn't magically make you great. Teams tend to give more rope to a high draft pick because they spent so much draft capital on them.

It just grinds my gears when i hear oh X team got former first round pick from Y team. Great team Y probably drafted poorly and now they are unloading that player.

Some folks act like if a player was a first round pick they wear some magical shirt under their uniform but instead of a giant S it has a giant 1.

Where SH was drafted has zero to do with his abilities today.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

If you are going to bring TH back that is the way to do it. If not I think you have to draft a qb with 1st or 2nd if it grades out.

My initial thought on Howell is that we found short Daniel Jones which imo is fine. You can build around that and might even make the playoffs from time to time.

Really? Daniel Jones took alot longer than one game to look as good as Howell did. Im with you SF. Not sure what else the guy could have done with what he had to work with today. We should be absolutely elated about his performance. His ceiling is waaaay higher than a short Daniel Jones.

Give him time to throw and an OC who actually belongs in the NFL and he is going to be way better than you think.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Really? Daniel Jones took alot longer than one game to look as good as Howell did. Im with you SF. Not sure what else the guy could have done with what he had to work with today. We should be absolutely elated about his performance. His ceiling is waaaay higher than a short Daniel Jones.

Give him time to throw and an OC who actually belongs in the NFL and he is going to be way better than you think.

Maybe we should ask Sonny Jurgensen what he thought of Howell? I bet he was fucking proud!!

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Really? Daniel Jones took alot longer than one game to look as good as Howell did. Im with you SF. Not sure what else the guy could have done with what he had to work with today. We should be absolutely elated about his performance. His ceiling is waaaay higher than a short Daniel Jones.

Give him time to throw and an OC who actually belongs in the NFL and he is going to be way better than you think.

You forget Jones first game in Tampa or his second game against Washington in 2019! I like your new QB and I hope he doesn't have to go through the BS Jones went threw in his first 4 seasons.