Patrick Ramsey Vs Philip Rivers

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I don't think we can say difinitavely(sp) that Rivers is better than Ramsey.

What have we seen of Rivers to come to that conclusion?

And of course that's the crux of the issue. Teams looking to trade a draft choice for a QB as opposed to trying to sign an UFA are confronted with a lot of options this offseason. As homers, we are probably (and not necessarily intentionally) over-valuing the trade value of QB's in hopes of getting more for Ramsey than his actual market value to other teams. Probably the same for Rivers. Drafting is such a crapshoot and otherwise logical rules seem to go by the wayside in valuing draft picks against current players.

Think about it. If you are New Orleans or Tennesse, do you trade your pick for Rivers instead of taking Young or Linehart? No one seems to even be discussing that possibility. Yet, if Rivers were coming out of school NOW, with the same stats and rep as when he did 2 years ago, he would probably be included in the "which QB goes first?" speculation.

Somehow, even though Rivers has been in the league two years and done nothing to demostrate his inability to live up to his original potential (except fail to beat out a pro-bowl, playoff (last year) QB), he is of lesser value than two college QB's each with acknowledged and serious question marks.

At QB, it's all about that shiny new "potential". First round QB's are kinda like new cars - as soon as you drive them off the lot they lose value.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

And of course that's the crux of the issue. Teams looking to trade a draft choice for a QB as opposed to trying to sign an UFA are confronted with a lot of options this offseason. As homers, we are probably (and not necessarily intentionally) over-valuing the trade value of QB's in hopes of getting more for Ramsey than his actual market value to other teams. Probably the same for Rivers. Drafting is such a crapshoot and otherwise logical rules seem to go by the wayside in valuing draft picks against current players.

Think about it. If you are New Orleans or Tennesse, do you trade your pick for Rivers instead of taking Young or Linehart? No one seems to even be discussing that possibility. Yet, if Rivers were coming out of school NOW, with the same stats and rep as when he did 2 years ago, he would probably be included in the "which QB goes first?" speculation.

Somehow, even though Rivers has been in the league two years and done nothing to demostrate his inability to live up to his original potential (except fail to beat out a pro-bowl, playoff (last year) QB), he is of lesser value than two college QB's each with acknowledged and serious question marks.

At QB, it's all about that shiny new "potential". First round QB's are kinda like new cars - as soon as you drive them off the lot they lose value.

Before I even got to the bottom of your post, I was thinking how the previous draft classes are like '04 and '05 models. The car industry uses the term "Nused". Not a lot of milage, but not straight from the factory either.

I think most GMs with an early draft pick or more inclined to go with something from the "factory", if you will. Unless, of course, you're talking about a proven QB, like a Drew Brees.