What Is Wrong With The Offense?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinnyfan

This post is way off base man. You are comparing hall of fame qb's to scrubs like dilfer, brunell, garcia etc........not even close. I don't think Irish is saying that they are losers because they didn't win the big one.

Could have fooled me. He said Dilfer won a Super Bowl. And he shouldn't be compared to a loser like Brunell who never has.

Dilfer was in the right place at the right time. Brunell did take the Jags to two AFC Championship games, apart from his lack of a Super Bowl he's a better QB than Dilfer and has had a better career.

But whatever, the argument gets old. Everything is Brunell's fault. Fine.

[irish]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Could have fooled me. He said Dilfer won a Super Bowl. And he shouldn't be compared to a loser like Brunell who never has.

Dilfer was in the right place at the right time. Brunell did take the Jags to two AFC Championship games, apart from his lack of a Super Bowl he's a better QB than Dilfer and has had a better career.

But whatever, the argument gets old. Everything is Brunell's fault. Fine.

As much as I cant believe I'm saying it, I dont think the problems are MB's fault. I think they are Gibbs' fault. He lets MB play, he does not let Al Saunders run the O inside the 35. I'm not sure what happened to Gibbs in his time off but for whatever reason, he does not have it. Mark my words, if the skins fizzle this year Gibbs is done because even he will recognize its not working.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by irish

As much as I cant believe I'm saying it, I dont think the problems are MB's fault. I think they are Gibbs' fault. He lets MB play, he does not let Al Saunders run the O inside the 35. I'm not sure what happened to Gibbs in his time off but for whatever reason, he does not have it. Mark my words, if the skins fizzle this year Gibbs is done because even he will recognize its not working.

So the problem is loyalty to Brunell?

[irish]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

So the problem is loyalty to Brunell?

Partly. Its also hiring people to do a job and not letting them do it. Its paying players before they play (instead of the other way around), its giving away draft picks. Its not any one of these by itself but taken in toto its created the current situation.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by irish

Partly. Its also hiring people to do a job and not letting them do it. Its paying players before they play (instead of the other way around), its giving away draft picks. Its not any one of these by itself but taken in toto its created the current situation.

did you say toto? Man I loved Toto. Awesome 80s rock!

As for everything else I guess we'll agree to disagree

[irish]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

did you say toto? Man I loved Toto. Awesome 80s rock!

As for everything else I guess we'll agree to disagree

You never heard of the words 'in toto' for "in summary'?

I have no problems with disagreeing but I dont know what you could disagree with as everything I said is unfortunately true.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by irish

You never heard of the words 'in toto' for "in summary'?

I have no problems with disagreeing but I dont know what you could disagree with as everything I said is unfortunately true.

No I guess I never have. As for the rest I think it's a huge leap to assume that he's not letting people do their job. I have no idea what you mean by paying people before they play. And as for the draft picks some say oh all we have is Rogers, McIntosh, Cooley, Taylor and Campbell. I say if using draft picks to get young players hitting their prime like Lloyd (wish he'd play more though. Where you at 85? Ocho Cinco!), Randle El and Portis then that's fine by me.

[skinnyfan]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Could have fooled me. He said Dilfer won a Super Bowl. And he shouldn't be compared to a loser like Brunell who never has.

Dilfer was in the right place at the right time. Brunell did take the Jags to two AFC Championship games, apart from his lack of a Super Bowl he's a better QB than Dilfer and has had a better career.

But whatever, the argument gets old. Everything is Brunell's fault. Fine.

I didn't place the blame all on Brunell. I just wondered if anyone listened to the stats on sportstalk 980 yesterday, and Southpaw hooked me up. Somehow this thing got turned into comparing Brunell to qb's of old who were HOF's. I just wanted to make the point that Brunell's time has come and that may be attributed to our mediocre defense as well as Gibb's very conservative approach, and many many other things. I just think we are limited with Brunell. That is all.

[Mc2guy]

I think the issue we all have to come to terms with is that this team, with all of its raw talent and wealth of coaching knowledge, just isn't very good. Blame who you want but the reality is we are a middling team at best right now and the sooner we realize that the Superbowl is out of reach this year, the sooner we can start making some pragmatic decisions about the roster and the future of the team. I have been waiting 15 years for another championship, so one more season won't kill me.

If I were king of the Redskins world, here's my list:

First, I am sick and freaking tired of all the "Brunell is not the problem" talk. He isn't the ONLY problem...but he is certainly A problem. In addition to declining skill and a complete and total fear of getting hit, the guy simply doesn't have IT. When a QB doesn't have IT, your team is doomed to mediocrity. IT is all the intangibles that makes a winner. Brunell does not have IT. HE IS NOT GOOD PEOPLE...WATCH THE GAMES WITH YOUR EYES NOT YOUR HEARTS. Mark Brunell is a good person, but he is a lousy quarterback. End of discussion. Campbell will make mistakes, but better to do it now when the season is a long shot than to ruin another season having him learn how to play in the NFL.

Offensive line. I think they are actually better than they are being credited with. A lot of the "pressure" on the QB has been a result of bad QB play, not the line itself. Not all of it mind you, but a lot of it. Run blocking has been quite respectible and it what this line was made for. Let them do what they do well...run block. As in, DON'T EVER CONSIDER PASSING ON 3rd AND 1!!!

Skill players are all there and they are plenty good...just need to get the ball in their hands.

Defense, obviously we start with the front 4. We need to spend some money on a plugger, a Ted Washington/Grady Jackson type that can stop up the middle. Give Salavea and Griffin a few more breathers ala what philly is doing right now rotating their line in and out and the pass pressure would be better. Use Carter on passing downs only as he's susceptible to the run. Also, it looks like he needs some technique work as the last game film I watched, he wasn't even close to getting around the tackle despite his speed.

Linebackers. Rocky needs to step up and be the man. I would actually consider moving Archuletta up to the WLB spot as he's proven worthless in pass protection againt WR's...he'll match up better against TE's

Secondary...needs an overhaul. Bring in another solid #1 cover guy, put Rogers in the nickel spot. Bring in a decent coverage SS, and let Taylor roam. We don't need more hitters (Something I think GWilliams is overly infatuated with), we need guys that can cover and tackle. We make slow receivers look like greased pigs right now, we can't hold onto anyone. I've never seen so many broken tackles and that include HS.

Special Teams. Frost is okay, not really a sore spot right now...place kicker on the other hand. Raise your hand if you didn't see this debacle coming. We need to lure a quality young (younger than 30) kicker away from a small market team with some cash and nip this issue in the bud.

Okay rant off, there's my list. Have at it.

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Could have fooled me. He said Dilfer won a Super Bowl. And he shouldn't be compared to a loser like Brunell who never has.

Dilfer was in the right place at the right time. Brunell did take the Jags to two AFC Championship games, apart from his lack of a Super Bowl he's a better QB than Dilfer and has had a better career.

But whatever, the argument gets old. Everything is Brunell's fault. Fine.

Well I have to agree... Brunell is much better than Dilfer ever was...