Mel Kiper on Monk

[MTK]

Martin is like the Monk of RBs. A vastly underrated guy who did his job, didn't complain, and had a long and successful career. It is a shame to hear Martin getting pub when Monk continues to get the snub.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Martin is like the Monk of RBs. A vastly underrated guy who did his job, didn't complain, and had a long and successful career. It is a shame to hear Martin getting pub when Monk continues to get the snub.

But Martin will benifit from playing more of his career in the internet/fantasy football/NFL Network era. More people probably know about martin and his accomplishments and that's why he's getting the pub now. Plus, he's just now retiring, so that helps.
Just a thought.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

But Martin will benifit from playing more of his career in the internet/fantasy football/NFL Network era. More people probably know about martin and his accomplishments and that's why he's getting the pub now. Plus, he's just now retiring, so that helps.
Just a thought.

Very true.

Back when Monk played we didn't have the internet and the 24/7 in your face media coverage.

But the guys that vote are all old enough to have seen Monk play with their own eyes. That alone should speak for itself.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

But Martin will benifit from playing more of his career in the internet/fantasy football/NFL Network era. More people probably know about martin and his accomplishments and that's why he's getting the pub now. Plus, he's just now retiring, so that helps.
Just a thought.

Someone fill me in, What did Martin ever accomplish? Getting to the Super Bowl? Winning a few divisions and a rushing title? Big Deal. Under that criteria if Alexander retired tomorrow he would be in.

Hell, vote in Eddie George.

Obviously, stats don't get you in. Compare Monk to Swann, Stallworth etc. Monk had great stats when he retired.

Kiper is right. The voters are idiots and basically choose on a whim.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

Kiper is right. The voters are idiots and basically choose on a whim.

Does anyone have a link to the transcript or a podcast of Kiper's rant?

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

Someone fill me in, What did Martin ever accomplish? Getting to the Super Bowl? Winning a few divisions and a rushing title? Big Deal. Under that criteria if Alexander retired tomorrow he would be in.

Hell, vote in Eddie George.

Obviously, stats don't get you in. Compare Monk to Swann, Stallworth etc. Monk had great stats when he retired.

Kiper is right. The voters are idiots and basically choose on a whim.

So, Barry Sanders doesn't deserve to be in the Hall?

Winning the SB is not (nor should it be) a prerequisite for getting into the Hall.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

So, Barry Sanders doesn't deserve to be in the Hall?

Winning the SB is not (nor should it be) a prerequisite for getting into the Hall.

When did I say that Barry Sanders shouldn't be in the hall? He is probably the best pure runner of all time. He would have run for 25,000 yards if he wanted to.

Martin was on a lot of bad teams and it would be a travesty if he gets in before Monk.

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

When did I say that Barry Sanders shouldn't be in the hall?

First of all, it's clear that Sanders deserves to be in the Hall, and I don't really think you would suggest otherwise, but, judging Sanders by the criteria you laid out for Martin would keep Sanders out of the Hall, too. Sanders never even got to the Super Bowl. The Lions won their division maybe once (I don't recall, but it can't be more than once). He was always in the top 5 rushing, so, I will grant you, that is a difference.

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

Martin was on a lot of bad teams and it would be a travesty if he gets in before Monk.

I agree, because they should both be first ballot HoF'ers.

But you have to concede that Sanders pretty much only played on bad teams - the Lions always sucked (save a lone 12-4 season). So, why should Martin have a different standard?

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

First of all, it's clear that Sanders deserves to be in the Hall, and I don't really think you would suggest otherwise, but, judging Sanders by the criteria you laid out for Martin would keep Sanders out of the Hall, too. Sanders never even got to the Super Bowl. The Lions won their division maybe once (I don't recall, but it can't be more than once). He was always in the top 5 rushing, so, I will grant you, that is a difference.



I agree, because they should both be first ballot HoF'ers.

But you have to concede that Sanders pretty much only played on bad teams - the Lions always sucked (save a lone 12-4 season). So, why should Martin have a different standard?

I tend to trust my eyes more than stats. Martin was very fortunate to be able to play effectively for a long time. Martin was probably the 2nd or 3rd best player on his team many of his years with the Patriots and Jets.

Barry Sanders was the best player on the field in probably 95% (if not higher) of every game he ever played in.

Martin isn't on the same map as Barry Sanders.

I could probably list 4 or 5 backs that were more talented than Martin every year that he played so I don't think that he deserves the Hall. Hell, his rushing title was pure luck Holmgren could have easily let Alexander have it that year.

4th all time is nothing to sneeze at but I think that if he gets in before Art Monk, it is proof that the HOF is only a beauty contest.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

Someone fill me in, What did Martin ever accomplish? Getting to the Super Bowl? Winning a few divisions and a rushing title? Big Deal. Under that criteria if Alexander retired tomorrow he would be in.

Hell, vote in Eddie George.

Obviously, stats don't get you in. Compare Monk to Swann, Stallworth etc. Monk had great stats when he retired.

Kiper is right. The voters are idiots and basically choose on a whim.

I believe C-Mart is 4th on the ALL-TIME rushing list ... how can you say he didn't accomplish anything? That means there are only 3 other people to EVER rush for more yards than him -- that is a big deal, my friend.

However, you're right: the hall doesn't care much for stats ... it's a popularity contest.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Martin is like the Monk of RBs. A vastly underrated guy who did his job, didn't complain, and had a long and successful career. It is a shame to hear Martin getting pub when Monk continues to get the snub.

Very well said Matty. Neither player ever tooted their own horn, they just showed up, and did their respective jobs very well over many years. That Monk has 3 rings as part of his strong resume makes his snub even a greater travesty.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Very well said Matty. Neither player ever tooted their own horn, they just showed up, and did their respective jobs very well over many years. That Monk has 3 rings as part of his strong resume makes his snub even a greater travesty.

I think that is the biggest single reason why Monk isn't in the HoF. Unfortunately, self-promoters make the highlight reels and get more than their fair share of praise.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Martin is like the Monk of RBs. A vastly underrated guy who did his job, didn't complain, and had a long and successful career. It is a shame to hear Martin getting pub when Monk continues to get the snub.

To say Martin had a successful career is an understatement, Martin is the #4 all time leading rusher. He's a lock for the HoF.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

To say Martin had a successful career is an understatement, Martin is the #4 all time leading rusher. He's a lock for the HoF.

And Monk was #1 in receptions when he retired yet he's still on the outside looking in.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

And Monk was #1 in receptions when he retired yet he's still on the outside looking in.

Receptions and rushing yards are just not comparable. Monk was a good receiver but not HoF material. I have a hard time getting my mind around the fact that CM is the #4 all-time leading rusher because I have a hard time seeing him as HoF worthy.