Skins/Falcons goat of the day

[Big C]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Campbell struggled but that was a direct result of the crappy pass protection. Too often he had guys running at him totally unblocked. Not sure what anyone would expect him to do.

I don't know how anyone can blame JC when the D gave up 200+ on the ground. I guess it goes back to that blame Brunell for everything syndrome.

when the offense cant convert 3rd downs, the defense is on the field too long. his turnover had a direct effect on the defense, and the momentum for the rest of the game

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Big C

when the offense cant convert 3rd downs, the defense is on the field too long. his turnover had a direct effect on the defense, and the momentum for the rest of the game

C'mon don't let the D off the hook so easy. We still won the TOP battle, so don't tell me the D was tired.

I agree the offense didn't do much in the 2nd half but let's get real, 256 yards given up on the ground is inexcusable and will lose you the game almost every time.

[Big C]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

C'mon don't let the D off the hook so easy. We still won the TOP battle, so don't tell me the D was tired.

I agree the offense didn't do much in the 2nd half but let's get real, 256 yards given up on the ground is inexcusable and will lose you the game almost every time.

im not letting the D off the hook. im making sure campbell doesnt get off easy, which it looks like so far he has. the defense was bad, but so was campbell and i havent seen anyone discussing that yet. again, if this was brunell he would have been slaughtered but everyone here is too enamoured with campbell

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Big C

im not letting the D off the hook. im making sure campbell doesnt get off easy, which it looks like so far he has. the defense was bad, but so was campbell and i havent seen anyone discussing that yet. again, if this was brunell he would have been slaughtered but everyone here is too enamoured with campbell

Of course the big difference is Campbell is making his 3rd start while MB was a 500 year vet. I think that's why people are willing to cut him some slack.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Of course the big difference is Campbell is making his 3rd start while MB was a 500 year vet. I think that's why people are willing to cut him some slack.

He deserves some slack, but all Big C and I are saying is that since he replaced Brunell, his performance should be graded on the same standard. We can cut him slack after we identify what he needs to improve on.

No one (well no one reasonable anyway) thinks this is a sign he will bust, it's just a bad game.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

He deserves some slack, but all Big C and I are saying is that since he replaced Brunell, his performance should be graded on the same standard. We can cut him slack after we identify what he needs to improve on.

No one (well no one reasonable anyway) thinks this is a sign he will bust, it's just a bad game.

That makes no sense, how can you judge a QB making his 3rd start vs. a 14 year vet and judge them on the same standard??

If that's the case why shouldn't we bench JC now too?

[Big C]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

That makes no sense, how can you judge a QB making his 3rd start vs. a 14 year vet and judge them on the same standard??

If that's the case why shouldn't we bench JC now too?

a young qb with little experience can still be the main reason we lost the game. just because he is learning doesnt mean he cant be blamed for the loss. forget that he is a young qb, look at how he played. he was a main reason, if not the main reason that we did not win the game, but he wont be benched for it because the rest of this season is just to groom him

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

That makes no sense, how can you judge a QB making his 3rd start vs. a 14 year vet and judge them on the same standard??

If that's the case why shouldn't we bench JC now too?

Don't take what I said the wrong way.

Grading them on the same standard simply means if 13/27 for 149 and 1 INT is bad for Brunell, its ALSO bad for Campbell. If 16/21 for 149 and 1 TD is good for Campbell, its also good for Brunell. Assuming there wasnt an event or two that completely skewed the stats, QB performance is standard.

After you reach that point, then you factor in that Campbell is your future and there is more important things at this point in the year than playing your best player. Once you replace your vet with the future, you don't go back, it sends a horrible message. So after this loss espically, I think going back would be a terrible decision. It's more acceptable for Campbell to have a bad day, but it's also acceptable for ALL QBs to have bad days.

[Hog's Breath]

I voted for Campbell. But, hey, it was only his third start. I'm in no way saying he should be benched. He made newbie mistakes. Big deal. I expect him to make more. As long as he is learning from them and progresses from week to week, which I have full confidence he will, that's all I care about.

As far as blaming the defense, I don't agree with it. You can't expect the D to win every game for us. I think our offense hasn't scored more than 17 points in the last 4 games or something like that. Campbell did make some poor decisions which ultimately cost the game.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Hog's Breath

I voted for Campbell. But, hey, it was only his third start. I'm in no way saying he should be benched. He made newbie mistakes. Big deal. I expect him to make more. As long as he is learning from them and progresses from week to week, which I have full confidence he will, that's all I care about.

As far as blaming the defense, I don't agree with it. You can't expect the D to win every game for us. I think our offense hasn't scored more than 17 points in the last 4 games or something like that. Campbell did make some poor decisions which ultimately cost the game.

The D didn't have to win the game, but c'mon man 250 yards given up on the ground?

I'm really amazed at how some are so quick to let the D off the hook, not only in this game but all season long.

When Travis Henry ripped us for 180 all we heard was how bad Brunell was.

I really don't get it.

[Hog's Breath]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The D didn't have to win the game, but c'mon man 250 yards given up on the ground?

I'm really amazed at how some are so quick to let the D off the hook, not only in this game but all season long.

When Travis Henry ripped us for 180 all we heard was how bad Brunell was.

I really don't get it.

Yeah, 250 yds to the league's #1 rushing offense. What did you expect? I'm not saying the D is completely absolved from any blame, but we gotta put more than 14 points on the board. That only wins you games when you have a defense like the Bears.

Don't get me wrong, I love Campbell, but our passing game was terrible today. Even though we had some critical dropped passes, it wasn't good. We were not very good on third down conversions either which is normally a passing down. There was no reason we should not have scored more points than we did, IMO. Atlanta's D is nothing to write home about.

My biggest prob with our defense is that we didn't create any turnovers. THAT is not doing the O any favors.

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The D didn't have to win the game, but c'mon man 250 yards given up on the ground?

I'm really amazed at how some are so quick to let the D off the hook, not only in this game but all season long.

When Travis Henry ripped us for 180 all we heard was how bad Brunell was.

I really don't get it.

I'll let the D off the hook because really we only scored 14 points...which won't win you too many NFL games. Yes the D gave up 24, but Campbell pretty much handed them 7 too. They didnt play well, but I dont think they were the sole reason why we lost, it was kinda a team effort in sucking (as ususal lol)

That being said I voted Campbell because I thought he played the worst out of anyone today. Basically he made the mistakes that were the reason we wanted him to start this year for, so that we can avoid them in the future. I'm absolutley fine with it, but I really thought his one INT was the difference in the game. Again, he made the rookie mistakes we expected him to make, I'm not mad or worried about it at all. If anything, making mistakes like that will help him in the future, and the whole reason he is playing is so we can be better in the future. If him doing that today means he wont do it in the playoffs in 2 years, then thats why we choose to start him now. I just dont want people to take this as piling on Campbell. I just thought if were picking an individuall goat, looking at just the game, I'd choose him. Although I dont think he was put in great spots either.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

I'll let the D off the hook because really we only scored 14 points...

On a side note if I may, I saw some interesting research the other day about points scored in a game. Apparently, over the past 25 years, when a team scores 13 points (exactly) in a game, they have won nearly 30% of the time (sample size of approx. 800 games played where one team scored 13 points), meanwhile teams that have scored 14 points (exactly) in a game have won less than 20% of the time (sample size of approx. 800 games playd where on team scored 14 points).

Anyhow, thought that was kind of interesting.

[backrow]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I really don't get it.

I get it Matty! But I blame MB for this loss as well!