Are we adressing our D-line?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SkinsFanSince91

If we trade down and get extra picks from Houston or Buffalo...I still think we should take Laron Landry from LSU. Thats if we get extra picks. Then our defensive backfield would be complete. No more long plays, cuz we have a 4-yr starter and 2 time all american playing center field with Sean Taylor playing underneath like a bigger, stronger, and faster Polamalu.

With the extra picks we can plug holes on that line. Branch, Adams, Okoye, and Anderson, all of the guys that we are looking at, are all boom-or-bust picks. Landry is the safest, most reliable pick that we can take. he can come in immediately and make us better without equivocation.


Now if we trade with denver then we have to take a D Lineman around the 25th pick, but if not LAndry is our man

I think Landry is a good pick, but considering all the talent we have in the secondary, I'd only want him if Carriker, Branch, AND Okoye were gone.

We spent a lot of high picks in our secondary the last three seasons.

Also, 4 year starters like Okoye and Adams are guys who there is just as much film on as Landry. You're designation of the DL guys as "boom or bust" seems somewhat unfounded and arbitrary.

I agree that when a guy comes out of college early, theres always a bigger risk drafting him high than if the same player waited until after his senior year to come out, and Landry WAS a 4 year starter, but you can't just declare a guy boom or bust and assume it to be accurate.

[SkinsFanSince91]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think Landry is a good pick, but considering all the talent we have in the secondary, I'd only want him if Carriker, Branch, AND Okoye were gone.

We spent a lot of high picks in our secondary the last three seasons.

Also, 4 year starters like Okoye and Adams are guys who there is just as much film on as Landry. You're designation of the DL guys as "boom or bust" seems somewhat unfounded and arbitrary.

I agree that when a guy comes out of college early, theres always a bigger risk drafting him high than if the same player waited until after his senior year to come out, and Landry WAS a 4 year starter, but you can't just declare a guy boom or bust and assume it to be accurate.

Okay. My opinion is only "arbitrary" because I did not have the time to qualify as to why those men are all boom or bust prospects.

First off, in every scouting report that we have seen on Landry, his only negative is either his size, speed, or timing of jumps to defend passes. His timing can easily be coached up. At the combine he measured at 6'2" 213 lbs., ran a 4.35 40 yd dash, 37 in vertical, and pressed 225 lbs. around 20 times. So those questions are immediately laid to rest.

Adams is a great player, but he is undersized for one at 261 lbs. That would prevent him from being on the field for all downs. He would get bullied by the average NFL tackle at 328 lbs.

Anderson has the size, but is coming off a freakishly good season and has yet to face the double teams that great DE's get the second time around. He also has been known to take a play or series of plays off. When he gets to the NFL he is gonna have to go all out every down. Especially if we take him high.

Branch is a monster in the middle, but suffers the same criticisms as Anderson. He takes too many plays off. And for anyone reading that has been on a team, that is one of the most egregious things that you can do while on the field. Plays get missed because of people taking plays off. Then one has to wonder, which version of the player will show up for the game - The beast or the Sloth.

If we trade, but dont trade out of the top 10, then we need the surest and most immediate impact player available. At that positions, hands down the best candidate is Landry. We can still use the acquired pick to get a DT or a DE/pass rush specialist in the 2nd-3rd round (a la MArk Anderson Chi Bears - 5 round pick with 12 sacks).

Furthermore, it wasnt our run defense that was suspect last year as much as it was out pass defense. The skins lead the league in plays allowed over 20 yards! Horrible!!! We have done well fortifying that with our FA signing, but we still need a "TRUE" free safety. Its not Taylor and it damn sure aint Sean Springs! LAron People!! Then plug holes with our new picks.

FOCKER OUT!!

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by SkinsFanSince91

Furthermore, it wasnt our run defense that was suspect last year as much as it was [our] pass defense.

FOCKER OUT!!

The Redskins overall defensive rankings for 2006:

#23 against the pass

#27 against the run

Not only that, we've already upgraded our secondary with free agency. Not so for the D-line.

[Beemnseven]

Skinsfansince91, I'll ask you again, since you keep ignoring it -- what good is a "sure thing" at safety when your defensive line gets ripped to shreds and Landry is forced to make tackles 10-15 yards later?

You need penetration up front FIRST. We didn't have that, and Golston, who everybody just raves about is part of the line that got us a #27 ranking against the run last year.

[SkinsFanSince91]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Skinsfansince91, I'll ask you again, since you keep ignoring it -- what good is a "sure thing" at safety when your defensive line gets ripped to shreds and Landry is forced to make tackles 10-15 yards later?

You need penetration up front FIRST. We didn't have that, and Golston, who everybody just raves about is part of the line that got us a #27 ranking against the run last year.

I feel where u are coming from here. However, I could flip the question right around and ask what will happen when teams begin to throw on us? Point is, both parts of our defense were equally bad.

I know football is won in the trenches, but one can't always draft out of need in the first round. It helps to draft for need, but it doesnt always pan out. Just like a DE/DT can help out on both fronts, so can a FS. Either one of our picks could help or hurt us next year. I just choose to go with the more effecient player - Laron Landry.

But when we do draft a d lineman, I hope it is Amobi Okoye. I wouldnt be mad with that. We still need a FS tho.

I hope the skins work some magic out, cuz we have a lot of holes to plug with only one cog to fill it in the first round/day of the draft.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by SkinsFanSince91

I feel where u are coming from here. However, I could flip the question right around and ask what will happen when teams begin to throw on us? Point is, both parts of our defense were equally bad.

I know football is won in the trenches, but one can't always draft out of need in the first round. It helps to draft for need, but it doesnt always pan out. Just like a DE/DT can help out on both fronts, so can a FS. Either one of our picks could help or hurt us next year. I just choose to go with the more effecient player - Laron Landry.

But when we do draft a d lineman, I hope it is Amobi Okoye. I wouldnt be mad with that. We still need a FS tho.

I hope the skins work some magic out, cuz we have a lot of holes to plug with only one cog to fill it in the first round/day of the draft.

If we still cannot stop the run, then LaRon "Sure Thing" Landry will be forced to come up to the line for run support, then opposing O-coordinators will take note of this and kill us with play action. So then we're right back in the same position you say we were in last year -- we get nailed with the pass.

Oddly enough, we were actually BETTER against the pass last year than we were against the run. Don't get me wrong, it was bad all around on defense. But we have made upgrades in the secondary, while we have done nothing so far on the D-line. We saw what Griffin, Salave'a, Golston and Montgomery did for us against the run last year. Those same guys, who are all a year older will give us exactly the same results, or worse. And Landry, Alvin Walton or Ronnie Lott wouldn't make the slightest difference if nothing changes up front.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

You need penetration up front FIRST. We didn't have that, and Golston, who everybody just raves about is part of the line that got us a #27 ranking against the run last year.

I wholeheartedly agree. Golston is a nice change-up DT, but he's not starting material (yet). Golston was getting run on last year and anyone who thinks otherwise should go take a look at him getting driven back on game tape (See, in particular, the game against the Titans).

BTW, why are so many people in this thread getting their periods at the same time?

[GoSkins!]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I wholeheartedly agree. Golston is a nice change-up DT, but he's not starting material (yet). Golston was getting run on last year and anyone who thinks otherwise should go take a look at him getting driven back on game tape (See, in particular, the game against the Titans).

BTW, why are so many people in this thread getting their periods at the same time?

Golston has a great feel for the game, but he needs to put on more weight if he is going to be an effective starter. Next year, I hope we see him off the bench giving Griffith a breather. I also hope to see a big DT next to both of them!

[T.O.Killa]

Sorry if this post os out of place, but why has jamaal anderson fallen out of the mock drafts?

[T.O.Killa]

This guy goes from a top 10 first round pick to not even being picked in the first round and nobody knows why?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SkinsFanSince91

Okay. My opinion is only "arbitrary" because I did not have the time to qualify as to why those men are all boom or bust prospects.

First off, in every scouting report that we have seen on Landry, his only negative is either his size, speed, or timing of jumps to defend passes. His timing can easily be coached up. At the combine he measured at 6'2" 213 lbs., ran a 4.35 40 yd dash, 37 in vertical, and pressed 225 lbs. around 20 times. So those questions are immediately laid to rest.

Adams is a great player, but he is undersized for one at 261 lbs. That would prevent him from being on the field for all downs. He would get bullied by the average NFL tackle at 328 lbs.

Anderson has the size, but is coming off a freakishly good season and has yet to face the double teams that great DE's get the second time around. He also has been known to take a play or series of plays off. When he gets to the NFL he is gonna have to go all out every down. Especially if we take him high.

Branch is a monster in the middle, but suffers the same criticisms as Anderson. He takes too many plays off. And for anyone reading that has been on a team, that is one of the most egregious things that you can do while on the field. Plays get missed because of people taking plays off. Then one has to wonder, which version of the player will show up for the game - The beast or the Sloth.

If we trade, but dont trade out of the top 10, then we need the surest and most immediate impact player available. At that positions, hands down the best candidate is Landry. We can still use the acquired pick to get a DT or a DE/pass rush specialist in the 2nd-3rd round (a la MArk Anderson Chi Bears - 5 round pick with 12 sacks).

Furthermore, it wasnt our run defense that was suspect last year as much as it was out pass defense. The skins lead the league in plays allowed over 20 yards! Horrible!!! We have done well fortifying that with our FA signing, but we still need a "TRUE" free safety. Its not Taylor and it damn sure aint Sean Springs! LAron People!! Then plug holes with our new picks.

FOCKER OUT!!

Couldn't it also be said that a college safety is only involved on a few plays a game, and likewise could be labeled boom or bust?