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By the way, I "love" how you keep saying Bush is torturing, as if he personally is the one going down there.
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To date, it has produced much destruction and death, but almost no useful information or convictions. |
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"Prisoner of war" is a term of art. POW status is not afforded to unlawful enemy combatants. Once a person is deemed an unlawful enemy combatant, they are denied POW privileges (e.g., the right to a trial by a neutral country). Under U.S. law (which, by the way, governs U.S. court proceedings), the President is delegated the broad authority to determine whether someone captured in Afghanistan or Iraq is an unlawful enemy combatant. Whether you disagree with U.S. law or not, it is what it is and the detention and trial of unlawful enemy combatants captured in Iraq or Afghanistan is not illegal. Air America radio might say otherwise, but they're simply wrong.
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Second, to say that Rumself personally participated in the torture on a prisoner is also a little strange. Please see my first point. Speaking the truth and making sound arguments goes a lot further than making things up or exaggerating. |
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I was a little young to know much about Korea but chiefly remember the worship of McArthur, which I now recognize to have been almost sad in relation to a people's need of a charasmatic leader. Otherwise, the war seems to me now to have been forced upon us, to have been necessary, moral, relatively free of political deception and military misbehavior. I consider the U.S. to have acquitted itself very well in relation to the Korea War. I was an infant during most of World War II, and don't see how we could have done much better. Our sacrifice was great and for a great cause. War is vile, of course, and produces vile behavior and general insanity, but I still think we did well, considering. In relation to the Soviet-Afghan war, I think our policy was sound , our behavior commendable and the after-effects (the end of the cold war) were extremely desirable. I applaud Clinton for Kosovo and the first President Bush for Desert Storm and restraint. If I had been Clinton, we would have interceded in Rwanda and I'm ashamed we didn't as I am ashamed now that we haven't interceded in Darfur. That's essentially my take: Bad to atrocious: Nam, the current war in Iraq, Rwanda, Darfur Good to Great: Soviet-Afghan, Desert Storm, Korea, Kosovo, World War II. Thanks for asking. |
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Our torture policy is Bush's torture policy. Cluster bombs are internationally banned because of their special danger to children. It is a war crime to use them. Bush has used cluster bombs in Iraq knowing this and also knowing that Iraq is no threat to us. Truman wiped out people with nuclear bombs, but Japan was a danger to us and it can be argued that the bombs saved lives by ending the war quickly. Also, at the time Truman hit Japan we had not yet created the Geneva Conventions and signed them. Bush's continued bombing of civilian populations after the capture of Saddam was not only heartless and illegal but helped turn the Iraqis and the world against us.
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In relation to international law and agreements, it doesn't matter what laws are created by our government. The U.S. signed the Geneva Conventions and the Geneva Conventions make world leaders,including our leaders, who are sworn by oath of office to uphold international agreements, guilty of war crimes if they allow or institute practices that violate the Conventions. Further, the U.S. has signed other international agreements outlawing torture and mistreatment of prisoners. Further yet, international agreements, including the Geneva Conventions, do not give the U.S. the right to classify prisoners as it sees fit at any given time. Each agreement does its own classifying. It would be absolutely pointless and absurd for any international agreement to let the various counties that sign the agreements change the definition of torture when they wanted to and at any time classify prisoners as they wished. A minute's thought would tell you that any such absurdity would defeat the whole purpose of the agreements. Bush and his minions live in an Alice in Wonderland world in which any rediculous argument can be thought of as true by masses of people if it is only repeated enough times on Fox news. Bushies are constantly trying to remake reality. |
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Here's a good debate related to this topic:
YouTube - Noam Chomsky vs. William F. Buckley Debate : Part 1 of 2
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Did I mention that Bush took an oath of office to uphold international agreements signed by the United States. Violation of that oath is an impeachable offense.
As to whether or not Bush can be sentenced by a foreign court for war crimes under the Geneva Conventions, the answer is yes. Even is the United States had not signed the Geneva Conventions, he could still be found guilty of war crimes and sentenced. |
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