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Old 06-04-2007, 03:16 PM   #196
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Re: Let's impeach the president.

That's politics.

This type of reasoning seems to assume the Democrats all had a big meeting somewhere and decided they would espouse opposing views despite their negavtive effects. I am sorry but I don't believe that. I think there are politicians in Washington DC, both Dem and Rep, who are there just for power and will do anything to keep it. But I don't any entire party of people is made up of these people. Dems, I feel, honestly believe their views are right. Just like Republicans. My guess as to why the Dems "seem" to have no ideas is that the Reps ideas are often so black and white and built on logic(faulty or not) and the Dems views are built largely on emotions. Sometimes it hard to argue on emotion. Even if it is sometimes right. That isn't probably stated very well but I don't feel like spending 20 minutes writing a more complete response. Essentially I think you are wrong. Dems aren't the evil opposite decrying the conservative ways for no benefit other than their own. They simply disgaree and seem to have no solid ideas. At least on terrorism.
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Old 06-04-2007, 03:22 PM   #197
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Re: Let's impeach the president.

And, might I add, it is this kind of attitude that creates an "us versus them" mentality that stiffles discussion and leads us no where.

At the end of the day people need to realize that, guess what, on some issues Dems are more right than Reps and vice versa. That is why compromise is so important. That is why discussion is so important. Without true debate and hasing out of issues all we get is one sided simple solutions to complex problems. Maybe if polticiams got back on the same page that would end. The same page is that of doing what is right for EVERYONE. Not just the poor people, and not just the rich.
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Re: Let's impeach the president.

Agreed. The democratic strategy currently is to look at George Bush's poor approval rating and claim that the plan is to do the opposite of what he's doing.

There are no fresh ideas. NONE.

- How do you propose we get out of Iraq without seeing the Iraqi government, military, and police force fold to the well-funded (by Iran and Syria) insurgency?

- How do you propose we maintain the historically very low levels of unemployment and inflation AND balance the budget at the same time?

- How do you propose we free ourselves from the dependency on foreign oil? I hear you say "we have to reduce our dependency on foreign oil", but I don't hear any "HOW".

- How do you propose we stop the ascending costs of healthcare and college education?

If you're going to just crap on George Bush and expect to make it into office, well, it just might work because so few like George Bush. But you won't get my vote, because crapping on Bush doesn't make you a leader, it just makes you a critic.
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Old 06-04-2007, 03:32 PM   #199
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Re: Let's impeach the president.

I mean, who has solid ideas on terrorism? Certainly not the Republicans. Washington as a whole has been in a reactionary mode post 9/11; On both sides of the aisle, I might add.

This notion that the Dems don't have any solid ideas, in my opinion, just isn't true. Especially on terrorism. Yes, the Dems have had some issues, but I don't think they lack "ideas". I think they have, at least up until now, lacked solid leadership that can brand the party together and move them in one direction. This is why this election is so important. The nominee, and hopefully the new President, whether that be Hillary or Obama, has to be a visionary and set the course for the party for the next 8 years, if not more.
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I mean, who has solid ideas on terrorism? Certainly not the Republicans. Washington as a whole has been in a reactionary mode post 9/11; On both sides of the aisle, I might add.

This notion that the Dems don't have any solid ideas, in my opinion, just isn't true. Especially on terrorism. Yes, the Dems have had some issues, but I don't think they lack "ideas". I think they have, at least up until now, lacked solid leadership that can brand the party together and move them in one direction. This is why this election is so important. The nominee, and hopefully the new President, whether that be Hillary or Obama, has to be a visionary and set the course for the party for the next 8 years, if not more.
So your saying the terrorist plotts that we have broken up over the past couple of years and just this past weekend have been reationary. I say everything that the president has tried to do to fight terrorism the dems. have attacked him for one reason or another. Could you please give us a few of the dems. ideas to fight terrorism sense you say they have these ideas.
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And, might I add, it is this kind of attitude that creates an "us versus them" mentality that stiffles discussion and leads us no where.

At the end of the day people need to realize that, guess what, on some issues Dems are more right than Reps and vice versa. That is why compromise is so important. That is why discussion is so important. Without true debate and hasing out of issues all we get is one sided simple solutions to complex problems. Maybe if polticiams got back on the same page that would end. The same page is that of doing what is right for EVERYONE. Not just the poor people, and not just the rich.
this is one of the best posts ever. we usually dont agree on politics, but you are dead on with this.
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So your saying the terrorist plotts that we have broken up over the past couple of years and just this past weekend have been reationary. I say everything that the president has tried to do to fight terrorism the dems. have attacked him for one reason or another. Could you please give us a few of the dems. ideas to fight terrorism sense you say they have these ideas.
this is normal politics. everyone gets in an uproar over this, but it happens with every administration. no one gets any free passes any more. remember the republicans questioning bill clinton on the amount he would spend on a haircut?
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I mean, who has solid ideas on terrorism? Certainly not the Republicans. Washington as a whole has been in a reactionary mode post 9/11; On both sides of the aisle, I might add.

This notion that the Dems don't have any solid ideas, in my opinion, just isn't true. Especially on terrorism. Yes, the Dems have had some issues, but I don't think they lack "ideas". I think they have, at least up until now, lacked solid leadership that can brand the party together and move them in one direction. This is why this election is so important. The nominee, and hopefully the new President, whether that be Hillary or Obama, has to be a visionary and set the course for the party for the next 8 years, if not more.
The Democratic party has been hijacked by the super left. Their party positions do not reflect the the general position of the everyday democratic folks. The same has really starting taking shape in the Republican party but it is not quite as pronounced. I am pretty dubious that any of the current candiates are prepared to take hold of the democratic party and instill some moderation. I have more hopes for the republicans because the debacle with Bush has potentially opened some eyes. We'll see. I still have not even remotely heard one idea from the democrats on what to do about terrorism.
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So your saying the terrorist plotts that we have broken up over the past couple of years and just this past weekend have been reationary. I say everything that the president has tried to do to fight terrorism the dems. have attacked him for one reason or another. Could you please give us a few of the dems. ideas to fight terrorism sense you say they have these ideas.

For the record, we've done a great job at breaking up terrorist plots over the past few years. The JFK incident this weekend and the Fort Dix plot are two that immediately come to mind.

Secondly, I don't want to get into this my party vs. your party jousting. Debate is healthy, critism is not. But I won't stand around and let people take shots at the Dems as the party of 'no ideas' when this is by and large George Bush's war. That fact is we have to move forward and collectively figure out a way to make this work.

It's not that the Dems have attacked him so much on his war on terror, remember most of them voted in favor of invading Iraq. It's that they aren't satisfied with the current results and the President's reluctance to change course. Those are the two biggest issues Congress and the Senate have. This isn't a Democratic or Republican issue, this is the general mood in Washington right now.

As far as what the Dems 'ideas' are for getting out of Iraq? Well, I think that all depends on which candidate you actually talk to or listen to. Let's face it, there are no good options on the table right now. The options are bad and worse. But they do all, pretty much, unanimously agreee that it's time to withdraw troops in a timely fashion. I think there are some slight differences between the candidates on how to do this and under what timelines.
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For the record, we've done a great job at breaking up terrorist plots over the past few years. The JFK incident this weekend and the Fort Dix plot are two that immediately come to mind.

Secondly, I don't want to get into this my party vs. your party jousting. Debate is healthy, critism is not. But I won't stand around and let people take shots at the Dems as the party of 'no ideas' when this is by and large George Bush's war. That fact is we have to move forward and collectively figure out a way to make this work.

It's not that the Dems have attacked him so much on his war on terror, remember most of them voted in favor of invading Iraq. It's that they aren't satisfied with the current results and the President's reluctance to change course. Those are the two biggest issues Congress and the Senate have. This isn't a Democratic or Republican issue, this is the general mood in Washington right now.

As far as what the Dems 'ideas' are for getting out of Iraq? Well, I think that all depends on which candidate you actually talk to or listen to. Let's face it, there are no good options on the table right now. The options are bad and worse. But they do all, pretty much, unanimously agreee that it's time to withdraw troops in a timely fashion. I think there are some slight differences between the candidates on how to do this and under what timelines.
You were talking about their idea on terrorism not the Iraq war so what is their ideas to fight terrorism?
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OK I'll help you some Hillary really had nothing on her site but Obama did address some issues on terrorism.
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this is normal politics. everyone gets in an uproar over this, but it happens with every administration. no one gets any free passes any more. remember the republicans questioning bill clinton on the amount he would spend on a haircut?
I don't think that the Rep. party attacked him about his hair cuts it was more like the Rush Lim. and talk shows. They did not attack him getting the hair cut but attacked the fact that the airport had to stop for around 1 1/2 hours while he got the hair cut.
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Old 06-04-2007, 04:35 PM   #208
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OK I'll help you some Hillary really had nothing on her site but Obama did address some issues on terrorism.
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Thanks for the help, but I knew Obama's position
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Agreed. The democratic strategy currently is to look at George Bush's poor approval rating and claim that the plan is to do the opposite of what he's doing.

There are no fresh ideas. NONE.

- How do you propose we get out of Iraq without seeing the Iraqi government, military, and police force fold to the well-funded (by Iran and Syria) insurgency?

- How do you propose we maintain the historically very low levels of unemployment and inflation AND balance the budget at the same time?

- How do you propose we free ourselves from the dependency on foreign oil? I hear you say "we have to reduce our dependency on foreign oil", but I don't hear any "HOW".

- How do you propose we stop the ascending costs of healthcare and college education?

If you're going to just crap on George Bush and expect to make it into office, well, it just might work because so few like George Bush. But you won't get my vote, because crapping on Bush doesn't make you a leader, it just makes you a critic.
You bring some good points to bear Schneed. They would not get my vote either!
Caution: I may be taking parts of your post out of context.

However, that having been said, the fact that I (or anybody else) do not have solutions to the problems you list and the MANY more that concern me does not mean an acceptable, workable answer does not exist. In my opinion, there is no other recourse but to face the music, and..............start.
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I don't think that the Rep. party attacked him about his hair cuts it was more like the Rush Lim. and talk shows. They did not attack him getting the hair cut but attacked the fact that the airport had to stop for around 1 1/2 hours while he got the hair cut.
and congress doesn't have anything better to do? come on. if you are a Republican, its your duty to attack the Dem's on as many levels as you can. and the same goes for the Dem's. its not about beliefs anymore. its attacking each other. and this is what we have come to
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