Let's impeach the president.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Did anyone catch the interesting debate between the Dem. Prez. candidates at Howard? I found it interesting that they all condemned the Bush administration for unilaterally intervening in Iraq and staying there despite the civil war between rival factions. Then, in response to the next question about Sudan, they all said we should intervene in Darfur even if we have to do it unilaterally (as China would veto any UN resolution authorizing force) in a conflict marred by civil strife between rival factions.

I was there. I think that response was interesting, however I think we're dealing with apples and oranges when we talk about Iraq and Dafur; I do get your point though. Question though, do you think we really unilaterally intervened in Iraq?

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by dmek25

mean while, our health care system collapses, no new immigration policy, we go farther and farther into debt, and more and more American jobs get shipped over seas. how about president bush getting OUR house in order, before we play world police. and heres a quote from me, " to hell with Adlai Stevenson"

I think it's too little too late as far as this Administration getting our house in order. Unfortunately, the woes and misteps of this Administration will get passed along to the incoming President; Whomever that will be. I'm thinking the Dems will take the White House.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I think it's too little too late as far as this Administration getting our house in order. Unfortunately, the woes and misteps of this Administration will get passed along to the incoming President; Whomever that will be. I'm thinking the Dems will take the White House.

But you could also argue though that the woes and missteps of Clinton passed down to W, of HW Bush to Clinton, of Reagan to HW Bush...and so on. Couldn't you?

I read a column recently where someone made the interesting point that the majority of people tend to ignore things like the unemployment rate being at its lowest in several years because they can't/won't accept that anything positive has happened under this administration.

What do you think of that?

[GusFrerotte]

Tell that to us folks in Detroit Smooty,

14% and holding up here in the Big D, and it is almost just as bad in Cleveland. The rust belt is the future of America. The big beef I have with the low unemployment rate, is how many of those jobs are really worth having or in other words a living wage? Most jobs being "created" are still largely service jobs with waitresses, bartenders, store attendants leading the way. The best jobs are being outsourced, shoot even the Feds are outsourcing now. Having a BA or BS and above and being stuck working full time as a waiter/waitress/busboy isn't too cool if you have college loans to pay off. Besides, the perfect economic storm is brewing up for us as a result of disasterous Federal Reserve policies and our ungodly debt. It is not a matter of if, but when when the next great Depression and hyperinflation will take its toll. Bush has spent us into oblvion and now we have to rely on advesaries to keep us afloat by buying up US treasury bonds. Now we have a dumb war, that will cost us probably a trillion $$$$$$ before we get the hell out, if we get out. Don't even get me started on immigration.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Tell that to us folks in Detroit Smooty,

14% and holding up here in the Big D, and it is almost just as bad in Cleveland. The rust belt is the future of America. The big beef I have with the low unemployment rate, is how many of those jobs are really worth having or in other words a living wage? Most jobs being "created" are still largely service jobs with waitresses, bartenders, store attendants leading the way. The best jobs are being outsourced, shoot even the Feds are outsourcing now. Having a BA or BS and above and being stuck working full time as a waiter/waitress/busboy isn't too cool if you have college loans to pay off. Besides, the perfect economic storm is brewing up for us as a result of disasterous Federal Reserve policies and our ungodly debt. It is not a matter of if, but when when the next great Depression and hyperinflation will take its toll. Bush has spent us into oblvion and now we have to rely on advesaries to keep us afloat by buying up US treasury bonds. Now we have a dumb war, that will cost us probably a trillion $$$$$$ before we get the hell out, if we get out. Don't even get me started on immigration.

Fair points. But then are you saying better to be unemployed than to have some semblance of a steady income and be a part of the workforce?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Well, he publicly spoke out against the war. At the time he was a state legislator and not a U.S. Senator, so he didn't actually have a vote. But he is recognized as the only candidate running that publicly denounced the war.

Speaking of Obama, and the title of this thread

Obama: Impeachment is not acceptable - USATODAY.com

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Tell that to us folks in Detroit Smooty,

14% and holding up here in the Big D, and it is almost just as bad in Cleveland. The rust belt is the future of America. The big beef I have with the low unemployment rate, is how many of those jobs are really worth having or in other words a living wage? Most jobs being "created" are still largely service jobs with waitresses, bartenders, store attendants leading the way. The best jobs are being outsourced, shoot even the Feds are outsourcing now. Having a BA or BS and above and being stuck working full time as a waiter/waitress/busboy isn't too cool if you have college loans to pay off. Besides, the perfect economic storm is brewing up for us as a result of disasterous Federal Reserve policies and our ungodly debt. It is not a matter of if, but when when the next great Depression and hyperinflation will take its toll. Bush has spent us into oblvion and now we have to rely on advesaries to keep us afloat by buying up US treasury bonds. Now we have a dumb war, that will cost us probably a trillion $$$$$$ before we get the hell out, if we get out. Don't even get me started on immigration.

Go around your house and look where the stuff (you purchased) is made. I'll bet most is from overseas but we blame corps. for all the outsourcing when we as Americans have been doing this for years.

[dmek25]

i contribute the low unemployment rate to people running out of extensions. therefore they are no longer getting help, and fall off the books. instead of looking at the number of people getting assistance, the should count the actual number of people NOT working

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

i contribute the low unemployment rate to people running out of extensions. therefore they are no longer getting help, and fall off the books. instead of looking at the number of people getting assistance, the should count the actual number of people NOT working

They tried counting the people not working and the people were to lazy to fill out the paper work if it was not for some type financial aid.

[Crazyhorse1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

They tried counting the people not working and the people were to lazy to fill out the paper work if it was not for some type financial aid.

You're completely right, of course. Poor people who have no jobs or money are just lazy bums for not popping into cabs and going to a government office to fill out forms they don't know exist for no reason.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Tell that to us folks in Detroit Smooty,

14% and holding up here in the Big D, and it is almost just as bad in Cleveland. The rust belt is the future of America. The big beef I have with the low unemployment rate, is how many of those jobs are really worth having or in other words a living wage? Most jobs being "created" are still largely service jobs with waitresses, bartenders, store attendants leading the way. The best jobs are being outsourced, shoot even the Feds are outsourcing now. Having a BA or BS and above and being stuck working full time as a waiter/waitress/busboy isn't too cool if you have college loans to pay off. Besides, the perfect economic storm is brewing up for us as a result of disasterous Federal Reserve policies and our ungodly debt. It is not a matter of if, but when when the next great Depression and hyperinflation will take its toll. Bush has spent us into oblvion and now we have to rely on advesaries to keep us afloat by buying up US treasury bonds. Now we have a dumb war, that will cost us probably a trillion $$$$$$ before we get the hell out, if we get out. Don't even get me started on immigration.

The future of Detroit is in Detroit. The future of America is in Pheonix and Dallas and Atlanta and Washington D.C. People in the old factory areas have been singing this tune for years. Literally. Allentown came out in 1982. Those days are long gone. It's sink or swim on your own now. Nobody owes anybody anything.

[dmek25]

whatever happened to all for one and one for all? i don't like the way politics are. its ok to give Exxon million dollar tax breaks, while the gap between the rich and the poor keeps on widening. in our lifetime there will be no more middle class. i take it 70 that you are doing alright. im glad for you

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by dmek25

whatever happened to all for one and one for all? i don't like the way politics are. its ok to give Exxon million dollar tax breaks, while the gap between the rich and the poor keeps on widening. in our lifetime there will be no more middle class. i take it 70 that you are doing alright. im glad for you

Not really. Not really at all. But what I have is mine and mine alone and I'm not naive enough to believe that a poltician is going to make it all better. That was the mistake of those people in New Orleans. They stayed in their houses thinking someone else had the ultimate responsibilty for their well being and that, to me, is a form of insanity. I shiver at the mindset that says "water's rising, better go upstairs. Water's still rising, better get on the roof." The water that killed those people rose at a rate of about one foot an hour. If they had walked two or three miles they would have been fine.

In fairness, this mentality, is not confined to the poor and the dispossessed. On some level, I hope a big meltdown does come, beause a lot of middle and upper middle class suburbanites are going to look equally foolish. There is a frightening lack of stoicism in this country. People have no endurance for anything other than sex and traffic.

[saden1]

The majority of those who died in NO were old and sick people.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by saden1

The majority of those who died in NO were old and sick people.

I think he is also referring to the ones that were saved even though he used the term died. I am still unsure how you can explain the 28% of people that perished between the ages of 16-60.
For as bad as that was, not as many people died that should have. I guess the government really did help out eh?