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[SmootSmack]

I can't believe people are actually singing the praises of guys like Kubiak, Payton, Nolan, Gruden, Marinelli but then bashing Gibbs

That's ridiculous. Let's see (putting aside Gibbs' 3 rings, 100+ victories, etc.). Let's just look at some of their highlights from the last two seasons:

Gibbs: Playoff win following 2005 season
Kubiak: One season, losing record, no playoffs
Payton: One season, 10-6, NFC Championship game....also lost a game to Gibbs
Nolan: 2 seasons, 2 losing records, lost to Gibbs
Gruden: Same number of wins and losses the past two seasons as Gibbs...lost to Gibbs in playoffs
Marinelli:One season, 3-13

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I can't believe people are actually saying guys like Kubiak, Payton, Nolan, Gruden, Marinelli are EQUAL TO GIBBS????

That's ridiculous. Let's see (putting aside Gibbs' 3 rings, 100+ victories, etc.). Let's just look at some of their highlights from the last two seasons:

Gibbs: Playoff win following 2005 season
Kubiak: One season, losing record, no playoffs
Payton: One season, 10-6, NFC Championship game....also lost a game to Gibbs
Nolan: 2 seasons, 2 losing records, lost to Gibbs
Gruden: Same number of wins and losses the past two seasons as Gibbs...lost to Gibbs in playoffs
Marinelli:One season, 3-13

Seriously, that's a pretty shitty list.

At least Chucky has won a Super Bowl, but the rest haven't proven much at all. Marinelli?

I'm going to bed, I've had enough jackassery for one day.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I can't believe people are actually singing the praises of guys like Kubiak, Payton, Nolan, Gruden, Marinelli but then bashing Gibbs

That's ridiculous. Let's see (putting aside Gibbs' 3 rings, 100+ victories, etc.). Let's just look at some of their highlights from the last two seasons:

Gibbs: Playoff win following 2005 season
Kubiak: One season, losing record, no playoffs
Payton: One season, 10-6, NFC Championship game....also lost a game to Gibbs
Nolan: 2 seasons, 2 losing records, lost to Gibbs
Gruden: Same number of wins and losses the past two seasons as Gibbs...lost to Gibbs in playoffs
Marinelli:One season, 3-13

It's frusterating, aint it.

Record is a really bad way to evaluate coaches IMO...but then again, theres really no good way to evaluate coaches. Almost everything a coach does is represented by a figure that is 90+% decided by someone else, being a player, an assistant coach, a general manager, etc.

You almost have to look for the guys who always seem to be on the cutting edge of football innovation, because thats really all a coach can do to consistently give his team/organization an advantage.

I think Gibbs has done an excellent job of that through the years. So has Belicheik and Reid, and even Mike Nolan recently.

Still, its really, REALLY hard to rank coaches with any degree of accuracy. So I pretty much say, after the top 5, if the players like em, then hes a good coach. If they dont, hes a bad coach. Is there really any other way to do it?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

It's frusterating, aint it.

Record is a really bad way to evaluate coaches IMO...but then again, theres really no good way to evaluate coaches. Almost everything a coach does is represented by a figure that is 90+% decided by someone else, being a player, an assistant coach, a general manager, etc.

You almost have to look for the guys who always seem to be on the cutting edge of football innovation, because thats really all a coach can do to consistently give his team/organization an advantage.

I think Gibbs has done an excellent job of that through the years. So has Belicheik and Reid, and even Mike Nolan recently.

Still, its really, REALLY hard to rank coaches with any degree of accuracy. So I pretty much say, after the top 5, if the players like em, then hes a good coach. If they dont, hes a bad coach. Is there really any other way to do it?

Well I guess one way to look at it is "What if they all coached the Detroit Lions? How would each of these coaches mentioned in this thread do with that roster?"

By the way, how funny is it to read about how Andy Reid has done such a great job considering he had no WRs or RBs really to work with. Did I miss something? Isn't he the one that put that roster together in the first place?

Anyway, call me a homer but I still take Gibbs any day of the week over just about any coach. His biggest problem last season was ceding too much control. I think he'll take it back this year. I've got a good feeling that he and Saunders have figured out how to effectively work together this year.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well I guess one way to look at it is "What if they all coached the Detroit Lions? How would each of these coaches mentioned in this thread do with that roster?"

By the way, how funny is it to read about how Andy Reid has done such a great job considering he had no WRs or RBs really to work with. Did I miss something? Isn't he the one that put that roster together in the first place?

Anyway, call me a homer but I still take Gibbs any day of the week over just about any coach. His biggest problem last season was ceding too much control. I think he'll take it back this year. I've got a good feeling that he and Saunders have figured out how to effectively work together this year.

Maybe this deserves its own thread, but one of the reasons for Mark Brunells success over the last two years (for those who understand relative success) is that he did get a lot of YAC from his receivers. Been in the top 5 in YAC in both 05 and 06.

Except Donovan McNabb was No. 1 in YAC both years. I hear people still trashing Philly for not investing in any offensive weapons for McNabb, well he's got more offensive help than any team in the NFL the last two seasons.

And to me, thats a testament to the way Reid has built his roster.

Anyway, we have three years of Gibbs 2.0 to evaluate, and from that we know...not very much. I do know I would not rank a coach with one year of experience ahead of him, and a lot of coaches in this league aren't that good. Gibbs is still a top 5-6 coach in this league, and just because he may not win a fourth superbowl here does not mean hes incapable. A few lucky bounces and who knows, 2007 could be the year!