Are We Being Too Hard on Brandon Lloyd?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I will go on record, in this very thread. Mods, feel free to archive it. If Brandon Lloyd has any more than 600 receiving yards on the season, I'll donate $100 to the site.

600 yards would actually be a major improvement for him. But it's still CRAZY disappointing for someone with a $30 million contract and was signed to be the #2.

I'll still root for him to get to 600, for a few reasons. The most obvious being it'd help the Redskins, but also, $100 would go nicely towards a new server for these parts. But man, I'll be AMAZED if that happens. The guy sucks, and you can tell the coaches can't stand him.

Lucky you didn't say that about ARE.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Lucky you didn't say that about ARE.

I don't think anybody expected NFL WR2 production out of ARE. With Lloyd I think everyone had reasonable expectations... I don't think even Rexi would have guessed he'd do so poorly on the stat sheet.

At this point, it doesn't really matter what Lloyd is capable of. He's lost the confidence of the coaching staff, and more importantly, he's lost the confidence of his quarterback. If you don't have that as a receiver, you're done.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by dgack

I don't think anybody expected NFL WR2 production out of ARE. With Lloyd I think everyone had reasonable expectations... I don't think even Rexi would have guessed he'd do so poorly on the stat sheet.

At this point, it doesn't really matter what Lloyd is capable of. He's lost the confidence of the coaching staff, and more importantly, he's lost the confidence of his quarterback. If you don't have that as a receiver, you're done.

It's only been one week...he could still turn it around. They did throw it to him 2 times, and once in the endzone. Had he caught both, he'd be on his way to a decent season.
If he catches 3 balls for 40 yards and a TD vs the eagles, we'll be talking differently about him.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by jsarno

It's only been one week...he could still turn it around. They did throw it to him 2 times, and once in the endzone. Had he caught both, he'd be on his way to a decent season.
If he catches 3 balls for 40 yards and a TD vs the eagles, we'll be talking differently about him.

Sure, I guess I'm just saying that it seems pretty clear that Campbell was looking for Cooley, Moss, and ARE and Lloyd is really the last option. After the perception (deserved or otherwise) that he didn't make the effort to go up and get that INT/pass, why would Campbell look his way again? If anything, JC is going to start throwing the ball away rather than putting it up there for the Amazing Circus Catch Lloyd to go get it.

And really, when you get right down to it, isn't that what this guy's modus operandi was supposed to be? He's not the fastest, known to be a sloppy route runner and fairly lazy in terms of professionalism, but hey, he can go make highlight reel catches...

Except that he isn't doing that. And now he's caught in a negative spiral where he's lost the confidence of coaches and JC, and knows he isn't going to get the ball, so I can pretty much guarantee you he isn't going to be out there giving it his all.

Think back to any time you've shot hoops with a guy who was fire and forget and would never pass. Did you hustle your ass down the court on every rebound after the 25th shot he took, or were you walking up the court? Doesn't matter if it turns out you really just sucked or not, if you don't think you're going to get a chance, you won't hustle. And coaches see you're not hustling, you don't get any more chances.

The only way this cycle gets broken is if a guy has a strong work ethic, and I just don't see that in Lloyd.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by dgack

Sure, I guess I'm just saying that it seems pretty clear that Campbell was looking for Cooley, Moss, and ARE and Lloyd is really the last option. After the perception (deserved or otherwise) that he didn't make the effort to go up and get that INT/pass, why would Campbell look his way again? If anything, JC is going to start throwing the ball away rather than putting it up there for the Amazing Circus Catch Lloyd to go get it.

And really, when you get right down to it, isn't that what this guy's modus operandi was supposed to be? He's not the fastest, known to be a sloppy route runner and fairly lazy in terms of professionalism, but hey, he can go make highlight reel catches...

Except that he isn't doing that. And now he's caught in a negative spiral where he's lost the confidence of coaches and JC, and knows he isn't going to get the ball, so I can pretty much guarantee you he isn't going to be out there giving it his all.

Think back to any time you've shot hoops with a guy who was fire and forget and would never pass. Did you hustle your ass down the court on every rebound after the 25th shot he took, or were you walking up the court? Doesn't matter if it turns out you really just sucked or not, if you don't think you're going to get a chance, you won't hustle. And coaches see you're not hustling, you don't get any more chances.

The only way this cycle gets broken is if a guy has a strong work ethic, and I just don't see that in Lloyd.

I agree to what you're saying...however, 1 time is a fluke, 2 times is a trend. I'll wait til the Eagles game before I say anything more about him.

[dgack]

I hope I'm wrong about the dude for many reasons, not the least of which is that I was fairly vocal about his potential when Rexi was over here talking smack about how bad the deal was. I'll be the first to admit I was WAY wrong about the dude then, so I'd love to be wrong about him now, but I suspect Schneed is right on the $100 bill.

Caldwell is fairly scrubby too, FWIW, but he's at least an amiable scrub.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by dgack

I hope I'm wrong about the dude for many reasons, not the least of which is that I was fairly vocal about his potential when Rexi was over here talking smack about how bad the deal was. I'll be the first to admit I was WAY wrong about the dude then, so I'd love to be wrong about him now, but I suspect Schneed is right on the $100 bill.

Caldwell is fairly scrubby too, FWIW, but he's at least an amiable scrub.

Shit, I'm gonna be routing for him extra hard now that Schneed could be $100 down on this deal!!!!

[dgack]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Shit, I'm gonna be routing for him extra hard now that Schneed could be $100 down on this deal!!!!

Hell, we could ALL chip in and get EITM or somebody in the DC media to pick up on it, and maybe it motivates Lloyd to prove us wrong! That'd be worth the money if it helped the team win even one game.

But probably, he'd just cut some shitty single called "Haters on the Warpath" or something, instead.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by dgack

Hell, we could ALL chip in and get EITM or somebody in the DC media to pick up on it, and maybe it motivates Lloyd to prove us wrong! That'd be worth the money if it helped the team win even one game.

But probably, he'd just cut some shitty single called "Haters on the Warpath" or something, instead.

SOunds good to me...I hear Smootsmack has connections at ESPN.

[ArcticRed]

Another thing to look at is that BLloyd was demoted to 3rd receiver. It was said he could earn his way back to #2. If you look at Sundays game and how it panned out offensively, the image is get in my head is a frustrated Lloyd wanting to perform and didnt get the chance. Usually when this happens he tends to regress back to his half hearted whining ways.

I think the post on what Riggins said is right on the money. I think the coaches need more depth at receiver now that Lloyd is a possible liability. I would not be surprised if the Skins make a move to free up his spot after a couple of weeks. No need to cause a distraction when you are trying to get off to a fast start.

[irish]

BL stinks. He was a bad pick up by the skins.

[EternalEnigma21]

well its done... i just traded him off of my madden franchise for devin hester...

[MTK]

Until he proves us wrong, which he hasn't in 17 regular season games now as a Redskin, he's garbage. Those waiting for his magical breakout better be prepared to wait a long time.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I for one, think we are being FAR too hard on him. He's under an EXTRA critical eye because of what happened last year.

Let's all ALSO remember that last year there wasn't a single receiver who did well, PERIOD. People are too concerned with regurgitating all the "drops" he had last year. If he had so many drops, I'd LOVE to know what games because in my recollection he caught EVERYTHING thrown his way.

He's starting to get the "Carlos Rogers" treatment where everyone just assumes he's bad because someone else said it.

If you guys paid me $30 million over seven years to post on the Warpath, with $10 mil guarenteed, and I turned out to be a lazy and nonsensical member...I'd hope you all would be ultra critical of me too.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Crazyhorse1

The fact is, he's just as good here as he was in San Francisco. It's just the chemistry is different here and nobody's giving him a look or making him a first option. In SF, he was the looked for receiver. Here, he's got two great receivers ahead of him and a third receiver who's also probably better than he is.

This is true, but I don't think thats a defense of Lloyd. If anything, this is one of the biggest criticisms against him.

If we brought him in with the idea that he wouldn't improve his production at all, the guy who made that move needs to be fired. It makes sense that we brought him in expecting him to break out, and got exactly what we had seen in SF. Still a bad move, but at least the intent was in the right place.