Is Kurt Warner back?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by TheBigD

Why? because he won NCAA championships at USC, the school where you are surrounded with talent in every position. I never thought he was that good, he gets scared and becomes very inaccurate with pressure.

I see. Maybe he should retire then?

He completed a lot of passes in college and had a good rookie year relative to Young and Culter. What more do you want of him at this stage in his career?

[TheBigD]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I see. Maybe he should retire then?

He completed a lot of passes in college and had a good rookie year relative to Young and Culter. What more do you want of him at this stage in his career?

I don't know, but when you look at a QB, you can tell how confident he is and see signs of potential. I can't see any of that in that guy.

Are you serious? you compare him to Young who is going to be 10 times better than him. Just because you were good, or even great some might argue, in college that doesn't mean much in the NFL with bigger, tougher, and quicker defenses. There are plenty of #1 picks or first rounders that couldn't hack it.

Anyways, we know now that they both will be playing.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by TheBigD

I don't know, but when you look at a QB, you can tell how confident he is and see signs of potential. I can't see any of that in that guy.

Are you serious? you compare him to Young who is going to be 10 times better than him. Just because you were good, or even great some might argue, in college that doesn't mean much in the NFL with bigger, tougher, and quicker defenses. There are plenty of #1 picks or first rounders that couldn't hack it.

Anyways, we know now that they both will be playing.

Leinart is still young but right now I think Warner gives them the best chance to win. If he had played the whole game against Balt. I bet they win the game. Warner was putting some passes right on the money like he use to. Dude can still sling it with anyone.

Vince Young just gets the job done. His passing stats are getting better too. Tenn made the right move in drafting him ahead of Leinart. Who made that pick? Wasn't it Floyd Reece? Why isn't he here?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by TheBigD

I don't know, but when you look at a QB, you can tell how confident he is and see signs of potential. I can't see any of that in that guy.

Are you serious? you compare him to Young who is going to be 10 times better than him. Just because you were good, or even great some might argue, in college that doesn't mean much in the NFL with bigger, tougher, and quicker defenses. There are plenty of #1 picks or first rounders that couldn't hack it.

Anyways, we know now that they both will be playing.

Young ten times better than Leinart? At what? Running the ball...cause then I'd agree, but as a QB, no way. Young threw for 2199 yards and 12 tds in 15 games. Young's comp % was only 51.5%. Leinart threw for 2547 yards, 11tds in only 12 games, and had a 56.8% comp %. That's a lot better.
Young is likely the most overrated player in the game today. Everyone thinks he's the next best thing. He's not.

About Warner...he doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. He is one of the most accurate passers in NFL history (65.7% career), but 2002 changed him. He threw for only 3 tds and 11 int's in 7 games for the Rams that year. He has shown signs of brilliance, then turned around and looked like crap. I think he still has greatness in him, but he can't be rushed. He has to have time to sit back in the pocket. When he's pressured too much, he chokes. If he could make better decisions when he's hurried / pressured, and could hold on to the ball when he's about to be sacked, he'd be great again. I think he thinks that he needs to make the play on every play, and football is more about making the most of the opportunities that present themselves, and not forcing it.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Young ten times better than Leinart? At what? Running the ball...cause then I'd agree, but as a QB, no way. Young threw for 2199 yards and 12 tds in 15 games. Young's comp % was only 51.5%. Leinart threw for 2547 yards, 11tds in only 12 games, and had a 56.8% comp %. That's a lot better.
Young is likely the most overrated player in the game today. Everyone thinks he's the next best thing. He's not.

Hyped? Absolutely! Overrated? No way! The Titans would be complete shit without him. He makes things happen for them and that's all that matters. Plus, if I'm not mistaken he practically won a national championship all by himself against USC.

[TheBigD]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Young ten times better than Leinart? At what? Running the ball...cause then I'd agree, but as a QB, no way. Young threw for 2199 yards and 12 tds in 15 games. Young's comp % was only 51.5%. Leinart threw for 2547 yards, 11tds in only 12 games, and had a 56.8% comp %. That's a lot better.
Young is likely the most overrated player in the game today. Everyone thinks he's the next best thing. He's not.

Hmmm...let us see, you are talking about a lot of numbers here when you forgot to mention the MOST IMPORTANT number of them all, who won more games? I can care less what the QB's stats or rating are, if he gets the job done, it will matter the most. Young has a tough mentality, he doesn't get scared when his team is down, he has shown that he can come back from a deficit.

One more thing, look at the guys surrounding Leinart, James, Boldin, Fitzgerald. It is not like Leinart is putting up 35 points onthe board and the defense can't stop other teams, he just isn't as good as people thought he might be.

Warner with his mistakes is better than Leinart, for now at least.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by TheBigD

Hmmm...let us see, you are talking about a lot of numbers here when you forgot to mention the MOST IMPORTANT number of them all, who won more games? I can care less what the QB's stats or rating are, if he gets the job done, it will matter the most. Young has a tough mentality, he doesn't get scared when his team is down, he has shown that he can come back from a deficit.

One more thing, look at the guys surrounding Leinart, James, Boldin, Fitzgerald. It is not like Leinart is putting up 35 points onthe board and the defense can't stop other teams, he just isn't as good as people thought he might be.

Warner with his mistakes is better than Leinart, for now at least.

Who wins more games has more to do with coaching and the other players around you than it does with 1 person.
Funny how everyone knew that fact until Young came into the league, then everyone scrapped it and thought that Young could win games all by his lonesome. No player will win games by himself...NONE.

[TheBigD]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Who wins more games has more to do with coaching and the other players around you than it does with 1 person.
Funny how everyone knew that fact until Young came into the league, then everyone scrapped it and thought that Young could win games all by his lonesome. No player will win games by himself...NONE.

LOL...Thank you!

That is what I have been trying to tell you. Leinart played at USC, now let me say it again University of Southern California (not south carolina or south C...) and that is how he won games and championships. What has he done in the NFL to show that he is a good or great QB?

Also, right now, Leinart has more talent around him than Young. Boldin, Fitzgerlad, E. James...etc. Tell me how many people would know who are the Titan's WRs beside E. Moulds ?

There is no such thing as "lucked out", they did whatever they could to stay in the game and win, maybe there is a lucky play in every game, but not such thing lucky plays all through the games.

I would bench Leinart in favor of Warner in no time if I had the monster WRs they have in Arizona.

[CPAlltheWay012]

Originally Posted by TheBigD

LOL...Thank you!

That is what I have been trying to tell you. Leinart played at USC, now let me say it again University of Southern California (not south carolina or south C...) and that is how he won games and championships. What has he done in the NFL to show that he is a good or great QB?

Also, right now, Leinart has more talent around him than Young. Boldin, Fitzgerlad, E. James...etc. Tell me how many people would know who are the Titan's WRs beside E. Moulds ?

There is no such thing as "lucked out", they did whatever they could to stay in the game and win, maybe there is a lucky play in every game, but not such thing lucky plays all through the games.

I would bench Leinart in favor of Warner in no time if I had the monster WRs they have in Arizona.

completly agree

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by TheBigD

LOL...Thank you!

That is what I have been trying to tell you. Leinart played at USC, now let me say it again University of Southern California (not south carolina or south C...) and that is how he won games and championships. What has he done in the NFL to show that he is a good or great QB?

I'm not referring to USC...college is an inferior league to the NFL (obviously). It means nothing to me. Some of the best players in college don't pan out in the NFL. Leinart still looks better throwing the ball than Young.

Also, right now, Leinart has more talent around him than Young. Boldin, Fitzgerlad, E. James...etc. Tell me how many people would know who are the Titan's WRs beside E. Moulds ?

I disagree with that. I think Edgerran James is overrated now, and also, the O line of Tennessee is better. Yes, Leinart has better WR's, however they still need the ball thrown to them. If they were on Tennessee they would be in trouble cause Young over throws and under throws all the time.
ps- you asking the wrong person, I know 99% of players on every team. But I live and breathe football.

There is no such thing as "lucked out", they did whatever they could to stay in the game and win, maybe there is a lucky play in every game, but not such thing lucky plays all through the games.

You obviously didn't watch the jacksonville where they had two chances at easy chip shots but since Scobee was hurt, they had no kicker to kick for them...they had to go for it on the 20 yard line on 4th down. Had Scobee not been hurt, they would have lost to Jacksonville. Of course this is a whole lot of "what if", but it shows me Tennessee is a pretender.

I would bench Leinart in favor of Warner in no time if I had the monster WRs they have in Arizona.

It's only Leinart's 2nd season, he's still pretty green behind the ears and so far he has proven that this year.