Classless Coach Belichick

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by irish

This is the best post I have see on this site in a long long time. You hitthe nail on the head!

When you start enthusiastically agreeing with offhiss then you know you've got some problems. That was one of the most banal posts that I've seen in a while so how about that one. Yeah, coach Gibbs definitely antagonized the Pats by saying the Skins were the biggest underdogs in sports, that definitely is why they went for it on 4th down when they were up 38-0. I'm not surprised at all to hear offhiss agree with Belichick and think he is a really upstanding guy. That seems about right actually. That someone would second him and say that was the "best post he's seen in a long time" is laughable.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

It was a classic coaching cliche, talk up the other team, say it's going to be a tough game. What do you want him to say? We're going to kick their asses all over the field? Come on. Why are so many people acting so freaking clueless? It's driving me insane.

It is not what I want him to say, it is what he should say. Or, not say for that matter.

The coach said "I don't know how we can match up to them, do you, because if you so tell me and we will both know." Or workds to that effect.

There is a difference between "talking up the other team" and surrendering the outcome. When is the last time you ever heard ANY head coach in the NFL "talk up a team" like that?

[hagams]

Wow....This is the reason there should be the 24hr post rule. What they did was not cool, and I tried to turn the game off...but couldn't. We ALL knew what we needed to do to slow these guys down, but we flat out didn't do it. Them running up the score isn't hurting anyone, it's just showing what kind of team they are. This is the pros, and there is a mercy rule here. Didn't we beat someone last year, or the year before 40'something to zero????

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by offiss

Pretty typical, as usual many are looking to deflect the real problem on to some one else, Belichik, Gibbs has had 4 years to build a team and has failed miserably, and yet that is some how Belichiks fault, don't make me laugh! This is a man's game we are not talking about a bunch of 10 year old kids here who are in the learning process, these guy's are paid a lot of money to win, what happens if the Pats let up and some one gets hurt because they didn't play to their full capabilities? What about losing some continuity and rhythm because you start to play different than your used to, especially on the heels of the biggest game of the regular season for them? Gibbs as usual was as unprepared as you could be for this game, it's as if he has one set of plays for every one.

So while Gibbs is blowing smoke up every one's A** as usual on how good of a football team we either beat or lost to, remember this, he can barely survive in a conference that is mediocre at best, yes we slug it out every week against teams that should be screaming for us to stop running up the score, unfortunately when he meets a real team it's not even a contest.

Every one immediately blames the coach on this one, yet you don't think Gibbs little banter back and forth this week with Brady had nothing to do with this out come? You could see in Brady's eyes when it was 35 nothing he wanted to go out and score 35 more, my thoughts and I said it at half time was he was out to shut Gibbs up, he didn't appreciate Gibbs and his usual child psychology talking about how we are the biggest underdogs in the history of sports, as if Brady and the Pat's were that stupid, so if Gibbs was correct then why is any one crying over the out come it should have been expected, in fact if that was the case I think we did quite well, I guess Brady wanted to make Gibbs look like he knew what he was talking about, and he did!

Sorry but the real story here is Gibbs and the fact as good as he was in his first tenure, he is as bad in his second! The scary part is he doesn't have a clue!

I just think that is how they are going to play this year. They are trying to beat everyone down. I think inside that Pats locker room that whole cheating thing has pissed them off. You know why? Cause the taping of hand signals was totally overblown by the media. The fact is that crap didn't affect the outcome of any games or Super Bowls and the Pats know that. That is why they have just made of their minds that they are just going to take it out on the rest of the NFL.

[12thMan]

I'm sorry, but I just read the first hand full of posts and it's completely laughable that Belichick is being accused of being classless for "running up the score". What?! And Godfrey had comments afterward? Listen, these are grown ass men playing football for crying out loud! Since when are you supposed to dial down on the competitive juices. I loved Belichick's presser. "We're just out there playing football."

If he's accused of having his team ready to kick ass, guilty as charged. The Skins had absolutely no fire, and the Pats did. That's the bottom line.

If anything I hope it serves as a wake up call to Gibbs and co.,but somehow I doubt it will. But to answer the question, I have no problem with the way the Pats scored on us yesterday - none.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by offiss

Pretty typical, as usual many are looking to deflect the real problem on to some one else, Belichik, Gibbs has had 4 years to build a team and has failed miserably, and yet that is some how Belichiks fault, don't make me laugh! This is a man's game we are not talking about a bunch of 10 year old kids here who are in the learning process, these guy's are paid a lot of money to win, what happens if the Pats let up and some one gets hurt because they didn't play to their full capabilities? What about losing some continuity and rhythm because you start to play different than your used to, especially on the heels of the biggest game of the regular season for them? Gibbs as usual was as unprepared as you could be for this game, it's as if he has one set of plays for every one.

So while Gibbs is blowing smoke up every one's A** as usual on how good of a football team we either beat or lost to, remember this, he can barely survive in a conference that is mediocre at best, yes we slug it out every week against teams that should be screaming for us to stop running up the score, unfortunately when he meets a real team it's not even a contest.

Every one immediately blames the coach on this one, yet you don't think Gibbs little banter back and forth this week with Brady had nothing to do with this out come? You could see in Brady's eyes when it was 35 nothing he wanted to go out and score 35 more, my thoughts and I said it at half time was he was out to shut Gibbs up, he didn't appreciate Gibbs and his usual child psychology talking about how we are the biggest underdogs in the history of sports, as if Brady and the Pat's were that stupid, so if Gibbs was correct then why is any one crying over the out come it should have been expected, in fact if that was the case I think we did quite well, I guess Brady wanted to make Gibbs look like he knew what he was talking about, and he did!

Sorry but the real story here is Gibbs and the fact as good as he was in his first tenure, he is as bad in his second! The scary part is he doesn't have a clue!

First, it's pretty typical that you are gloating over this loss. I am not sure whether you are a Redskins fan who is hurt so much by each loss, or you are a Cowboys fan who loves to watch the Redskins lose so you can post things on this site.

Second, those of us who don't like what Belichick did (i.e., running up the score) don't absolve Gibbs, the other coaches, or the players from blame. You are confusing the issue. We think that Belichick has no class, we don't think it is Belichick's responsibility to win for us. You know that, so don't try to get cute with your arguments.

I still find your fascination with and defense of Spurrier laughable in light of your attacks on Gibbs.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I don't like Belichick by any stretch of the imagination. From all accounts he is a real douchebag. The only thing that bothers me is skins fans whining that they scored too many points on us. Wonder how many people would be complaining if we did this to the Cowboys.

Here's a great quote by Belichick that Gibbs should start to follow:

That is a great quote. Post of the year.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by irish

I just cant see how NE could have done it any differently. They went for it on 4th instead of kicking a FG. The FG would have been rubbing the Skins noses in it. At least the Skins had a chance to stop them on 4th and they couldnt.

I have no problem with any team scoring as much as they can. The only way to disrespect the game is to stop playing hard. You cant tell guys that want to get noticed or keep their jobs to stop playing.

How do you manage to twist things around so much that kicking a field goal in lieu of trying to convert on 4th down is running up the score. Talk about mental gymnastics.

[irish]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I'm sorry, but I just read the first hand full of posts and it's completely laughable that Belichick is being accused of being classless for "running up the score". What?! And Godfrey had comments afterward? Listen, these are grown ass men playing football for crying out loud! Since when are you supposed to dial down on the competitive juices. I loved Belichick's presser. "We're just out there playing football."

If he's accused of having his team ready to kick ass, guilty as charged. The Skins had absolutely no fire, and the Pats did. That's the bottom line.

If anything I hope it serves as a wake up call to Gibbs and Co. But some how I doubt it will. But to answer the question, I have no problem with the way the Pats scored on us yesterday - none.

Another Post I totally agree with. BB had his team ready to roll, Gibbs didnt, and it showed.

I also agree that this likely wont be a wake up call for this team. While I believe that this team has a ton of talent (as much or more than many teams in the league) I know that talent is not enough. These guys dont have the discipline, fire, and attention to detail to be a championship team. For some reason the sum of this team is less than its parts.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

How do you manage to twist things around so much that kicking a field goal in lieu of trying to convert on 4th down is running up the score. Talk about mental gymnastics.

I didnt say kicking the FG was running up the score, I said kicking a FG would be rubbing the Skins noses in it more than giving them a chance to make a stop on 4th down.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by MTRedskinsFan

Belichick did exactly what he should have done. When a team self-destucts on the field of battle the opposition has absolutely no obligation to slow down. If the Skins had an opportunity to do this it would have been the right thing to do as well, but I think we all know that's not how it would play out. Hence the difference between teams with a killer instinct and teams without one. Belichick is a guy I respected but never liked. After today I respect him a little more.

This isn't a "field of battle." It's a professional sporting event and has very little in common with an actual battlefield. Even if it were a field of battle it doesn't justify abusing the opposition once they've been soundly beaten. This isn't the Roman Empire, circa 70 A.D.

I agree with the "It's the Skins responsibility to stop the scoring" to a certain extent. Into the late third or even early fourth quarter and with a point differential of 30-40 points, yeah, the Skins take the blame.

But at a certain point it's a lot more akin to kicking a wounded dog than it is playing an opponent. Do you blame the dog for not "getting out of the way of the kicks to stop the pain?" Nobody is arguing that we were outplayed and outcoached in every facet of the game, but that doesn't excuse Belichick running up the score when there is obviously zero chance of a comeback.

Gregg Easterbrook sums it up perfectly in his Good vs. Evil article. Well worth the read, and I'm with Gregg when I say it's obvious who I'll be pulling for on Nov. 4th.

[BleedBurgundy]

I can't believe there are (currently) 16 people who think the Patriots did not run up the score? What game were you clowns watching? And don't give me that whole "if you don't want us to score, then stop us" bullshit, either. There's class and then there's classless, this is most definitely the latter. I wore my Landry jersey to work today, just because I think true fans show their colors after a loss, especially a big loss like that. I have never gotten more support from fans of other teams who said things such as the Patriots were lucky we didn't go after Brady's legs. Obviously, that would be the antithesis of everything JG stands for, but there are teams that would have. 6 years ago, I felt bad for Boston and was happy when their teams started winning. Now, I'm getting the same feeling for them that I've had for Philadelphia and NY.

[Skinner]

Belichick is a fucking asshole with no respect.Yea I know we lost!,okay but he still pours it on! And im sick of hearing "aw quit crying this is the nfl" Well this isnt Madden, what does running up the score prove? Why the hell was Brady in in the 4th quarter? To get stats? I dont care what anybody else says, I hope it comes back and bites them in the ass.

[Dlyne8r]

Originally Posted by Blue Star

God Bless you.

Bill did not run up the score. Its up to those guys on defense that get paid millions of dollars to not allow that to happen. I don't care if its 50-0 going into the 4th quarter. Tom Brady and the rest get paid millions of dollars to play. Their fans want to see them and deserve to see them play the whole game. When the QB change happened what did the skins do? Let the qb run in for a freaking score. What did the skins overpaid offense do jack shi*.

So, it was Tom Brady then that made the call to go for it on 4th down with the game already well in hand for the Pats?

[Skinner]

Belichick is a fucking asshole with no respect.Yea I know we lost!,okay but he still pours it on! And im sick of hearing "aw quit crying this is the nfl" Well this isnt Madden, what does running up the score prove? Why the hell was Brady in in the 4th quarter? To get stats? I dont care what anybody else says, I hope it comes back and bites them in the ass.