Classless Coach Belichick

[SmootSmack]

Are you married skinsfan69?

[ArtMonkDrillz]

I heard that belichick doesn't wash his hands after he goes to the bathroom and that he farts in public.
(there, that should end this thread)

[Dlyne8r]

Originally Posted by skinsnut68

Belichick is scum. But what in hell is the point in complaining about it? Get it, guys: he likes it!!!! The Pats are wearing their black hats in public this season, and enjoying it! The Pats are making their statements on the field. Their opponents are gonna have to play mean to bring them down.

The Skins don't need to descend to his level of kicking a team when it's down (unless it's the Pats). But we don't need lovable losers, either.

Isn't it crazy that the Pats are the ones playing with a grudge? Why don't teams play with a grudge against THEM?

I think that is about to change. After yesterday's debacle, and after reading and listening to the media outcry over this issue, Brady and company had better look out. I think I'll purchase a Colt's jersey this week (sorry Baltimorians) and hope the Pats get the living crap kicked out of them.

[irish]

Originally Posted by mheisig

Couldn't have said it better myself. Anyone who doesn't get this point probably won't ever get it. It's like arguing with a brick wall.

It's no surprise that these two are the ones sticking up for Belichick.

I'm not sticking up for BB. I'm sticking up for playing hard and playing to win until the game is over.

I think a big reason for a lot of people having problems with NE winning how they did is that they either grew up (or are raising kids) in this era of trophies for all and everyone is on the all star team. They think that winning is fine but really dropping the hammer on an opponent is just not right. I guess I'm just old school and think everyone should play as hard as they can all game long. I'd rather get crushed than think the other team eased up on me because they feel sorry for me. That was how me and my friends thought and played. I guess I'm in the minority now.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

But here's my issue with this type of argument, Belichick isn't playing dirty ball, he's just outcoaching the opponent and his boys are out hustling and out thinking the other side. What's bad karma about that?

I'm sure if the someone runs up the score on N.E. this week or next, they have no problem with it.

I don't think anyone (at least not me) is arguing that we were outcoached and outplayed. They beat us in every last aspect of the game, no doubt about it. And it doesn't excuse our play either - we played like crap and we got beat soundly for it.

It think what people are complaining about is the play calling on the part of the Patriot's offense late in the game. I wouldn't expect the players to take it easy or just kneel down on every possession in the 4th quarter or anything like that. The playcalling from Belichick, however, was extremely aggressive , throwing it deep even when we were down 40+ points to 0.

I think his playcalling was obviously designed to keep racking up points as long as there was time on the clock. When the point differential gets to a certain level it's not about ensuring a win or going for the kill, it's about humiliating an opponent, which is exactly what Belichick was doing.

When the score is 40+ to nothing, throwing the ball deep to get a few more TDs has nothing to do with winning and everything to do with piling on the humiliation and stroking your own ego.

The players can't and shouldn't play less, but they're only going to run what the coach calls, which in Belichicks case is pass, pass, pass, run, run, pass, pass.

Fact of the matter is there is something of an informal agreement or etiquette in football that has lasted decades and he's breaking it, week in and week out. If you DO get up on an opponent by a ridiculous amount, have some class and play a touch more conservative and run the clock out. It's been understood and accepted for years, and Belichick is on a rampage of essentially mocking the entire system and tradition of class that has gone before him.

Tony Dungy's team is undefeated and they've been consistent contenders at the highest level, yet you don't find him or his people embroiled in this much scandal and hatred as you do Belichick and his gang.

As long as he's got the team to keep pounding people like this then there's nothing anyone can do. His legacy in the NFL, however, will most likely be one of victories tarnished buy cheating scandals, a dishonest personal and professional life, and generally being resented by pretty much everyone (except irish and skinsfan).

[hail_2_da_skins]

The Poll question was "Do you think that Belichick and the Patriots ran up the score?"

I've yet to read one single post that clearly justified what the Patriots did. There was a lot of bullshit about the Skins should have stopped them if they didn't like the fact that the Patriots were running up the score or that Gibbs and company should have had the team better prepared, but this doesn't address the basic fact that Belichick deliberately ran up the score. Whereas when the game is decided, most professional coaches pull their starters and run out the clock. So this means that Belichick is a classless and bullshit coach. I'm rooting for anyone to beat this team and pound their players to submission.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by mheisig

Couldn't have said it better myself. Anyone who doesn't get this point probably won't ever get it. It's like arguing with a brick wall.

It's no surprise that these two are the ones sticking up for Belichick.

I'm not sticking up for BB at all. I agree that he is somewhat of a jackass. But I'm just not going to come on here and blame him for our problems, like everyone else is. I'm just pointing out that we don't need to worry about BB and his personal issues. What the hell does that have to do with went down on the field yesterday? What does that have to do with why we can't get 1st downs? What does that have to do with why we keep calling stupid 2 yard screen passes that don't work?

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

So at what point do we call off the dogs and lock down this thread? Seems like it is the same people going back and forth and I don't think we're going to get much further here. Hell, it's even devolved into some guy defending cheating on your wife in Vegas and then others pointing out why he is wrong. It's just gotten ridiculous. Like Matty said, either you get it or you don't. I'm shocked that some people don't understand the premise, but apparently that isn't going to change no matter how many times we knock our heads against the wall trying to explain.

No, it's not like there's a clear cut rule here. These guys are compensated quite well to play. And is Godfrey has such a big deal with it all, do something! Don't go bitchin to Belichick after the damn game! Do something!

[JoeRedskin]

Skinsfan:

Just a question - do you're buddies wives know they cheated? Has any of them come clean? How would they feel if their wives cheated on them? If you're married how would you feel if you're wife cheated on you?

How does any of this relate to Belicheck? He is a whiny loser, always has been always will be. If he were treated with the disrespect he shows others, he would institute his own little vendatta and never forget the "wrong" (Eric Mangini anyone?). He sure as hell wouldn't treat the opposing party as someone "just playing football". Part of his whininess is his inability/refusal to admit that his interpretation of "Do unto others" only applies to others. To me this is unmanly and cowardly.

Sure, we have our defense should stop him. The Patriots proved it couldn't. Run the ball and run the clock out.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by irish

I'm not sticking up for BB. I'm sticking up for playing hard and playing to win until the game is over.

I think a big reason for a lot of people having problems with NE winning how they did is that they either grew up (or are raising kids) in this era of trophies for all and everyone is on the all star team. They think that winning is fine but really dropping the hammer on an opponent is just not right. I guess I'm just old school and think everyone should play as hard as they can all game long. I'd rather get crushed than think the other team eased up on me because they feel sorry for me. That was how me and my friends thought and played. I guess I'm in the minority now.

I think you care more about winning than enjoying the game. Originally, the game was created to have fun. It's tough to have fun when your opponent scores 8 times as many points as you. That has changed, and now the focus is not enjoyment, but rather winning at all costs. Maybe it's okay. Maybe it's not.

If you were playing basketball with a bunch of ten year olds, would you just dominate them? I know it's not the same thing, but that is pretty much what you said in your post -- play every game to win, and win as big as you can. I guess you left out the word "professional", when referring to sports.

Also, letting up is not an issue of "feeling sorry" for the other team. It's an issue of respecting the idea that the game is meant to be enjoyable. I guess that doesn't make sense in professional sports. Sigh.

[BrudLee]

I was wicked angry yesterday, and my posts reflected that. Apologies to all offended.

Was Belicheck running it up? A little. However, when the backup QB is in, we're supposed to do something to make his life difficult. He's playing for his life, since Matt Cassell isn't so important he can't be replaced. So if Cassell's lighting us up, that's on our head. I expect every backup QB, especially a young one (who has more to prove), to play with everything he's got.

[TheBigD]

Man, I was hoping not to see a thread like this one. I hate the Pats and the NE area teams altogether (from VT...ouch), but come on people, take the loss and move on. Classless or not, why did the Skins D let them score more? Did they give up just because the Pats are up by a bunch?

I hated it when the Dolphins player said something about NE after their loss and Bellichick trying to score more points. I hate to hear grown up men who are getting paid WAY more than they deserve to play a sport complaining about other teams not giving up. Why? If that is the case, why doesn't the NFL just allow the refs to end the game when the game is out of reach for one opponent.

Take the loss like a man (as it was suggested to me by this board memebers when Dallas lost to the Pats) and remember that your team is above .500.

[dgack]

There's a place where it's okay to spit on opponents, spear them, and attempt to paralyze them in an effort to come out the winner. It's called prison.

[irish]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

I think you care more about winning than enjoying the game. Originally, the game was created to have fun. It's tough to have fun when your opponent scores 8 times as many points as you. That has changed, and now the focus is not enjoyment, but rather winning at all costs. Maybe it's okay. Maybe it's not.

If you were playing basketball with a bunch of ten year olds, would you just dominate them? I know it's not the same thing, but that is pretty much what you said in your post -- play every game to win, and win as big as you can. I guess you left out the word "professional", when referring to sports.

Also, letting up is not an issue of "feeling sorry" for the other team. It's an issue of respecting the idea that the game is meant to be enjoyable. I guess that doesn't make sense in professional sports. Sigh.

Its a professional sport and everyone is evenly matched. These games are not for fun, its about $ and winning. Nothing more, nothing less. NE was not playing a Pop Warner team (no matter how much it looked like they were).

If I was playing basketball against 10 year olds I would not let them win because if I let them win then they did not really win and when they finally did win they would know how great it feels to struggle and finally achieve a goal. Unfortunately trophies for all only helps the loser kids (and their parents) feel less bad about themselves and robbs them of the joy of working toward a goal and accomplishing it.

[TheBigD]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

I think you care more about winning than enjoying the game. Originally, the game was created to have fun. It's tough to have fun when your opponent scores 8 times as many points as you. That has changed, and now the focus is not enjoyment, but rather winning at all costs. Maybe it's okay. Maybe it's not.

If you were playing basketball with a bunch of ten year olds, would you just dominate them? I know it's not the same thing, but that is pretty much what you said in your post -- play every game to win, and win as big as you can. I guess you left out the word "professional", when referring to sports.

Also, letting up is not an issue of "feeling sorry" for the other team. It's an issue of respecting the idea that the game is meant to be enjoyable. I guess that doesn't make sense in professional sports. Sigh.

I think you are right, the game is there for FUN. You know who was having fun? The NE fans (and their bandwaggon riders) who wanted to see more scores. Alot of people found that to be "enjoyable" (not me because I hate the Pats). Yes, it was not fun for the Skins and their fans, but people (at the game or home) like to see more TDs.

"Professional" sports? Why wouldn't the Skins play like professionals and finish the game right instead of hoping that the Pats would feel sorry for them and stop scoring?

Irish is right I hate the "everyone wins" attitude.