Classless Coach Belichick

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by mheisig

I don't think anyone (at least not me) is arguing that we were outcoached and outplayed. They beat us in every last aspect of the game, no doubt about it. And it doesn't excuse our play either - we played like crap and we got beat soundly for it.

It think what people are complaining about is the play calling on the part of the Patriot's offense late in the game. I wouldn't expect the players to take it easy or just kneel down on every possession in the 4th quarter or anything like that. The playcalling from Belichick, however, was extremely aggressive , throwing it deep even when we were down 40+ points to 0.

I think his playcalling was obviously designed to keep racking up points as long as there was time on the clock. When the point differential gets to a certain level it's not about ensuring a win or going for the kill, it's about humiliating an opponent, which is exactly what Belichick was doing.

When the score is 40+ to nothing, throwing the ball deep to get a few more TDs has nothing to do with winning and everything to do with piling on the humiliation and stroking your own ego.

The players can't and shouldn't play less, but they're only going to run what the coach calls, which in Belichicks case is pass, pass, pass, run, run, pass, pass.

Fact of the matter is there is something of an informal agreement or etiquette in football that has lasted decades and he's breaking it, week in and week out. If you DO get up on an opponent by a ridiculous amount, have some class and play a touch more conservative and run the clock out. It's been understood and accepted for years, and Belichick is on a rampage of essentially mocking the entire system and tradition of class that has gone before him.

Tony Dungy's team is undefeated and they've been consistent contenders at the highest level, yet you don't find him or his people embroiled in this much scandal and hatred as you do Belichick and his gang.

As long as he's got the team to keep pounding people like this then there's nothing anyone can do. His legacy in the NFL, however, will most likely be one of victories tarnished buy cheating scandals, a dishonest personal and professional life, and generally being resented by pretty much everyone (except irish and skinsfan).

Okay let's be brutally honest for a minute, part of the issue, and correct me if wrong, is that we have a problem with Belichick as an individual and the perception we have him.

Secondly, if this were to happen at the amateur level, then I would lean on the side of calling character and class into question. But this is professional sports. Why is that important to consider here? Because we invest so much of our time and money looking for the best and the brightest. Drilling it into our kids from the time they can run and compete, "win at all costs" Give one hundred percent...leave it on the field. Well, the Pats have a higher standard for those cliches.

You see in the end, we want it both ways. We love to hear at the end of the big games, "no one deserved it more than so and so". But see, that's not the real world. Sometimes classy people win, and I'm okay with that. And sometimes assholes win and win big, and I'm okay with that too. To me "running up the score" isn't the big deal. As long as he wasn't intentionally cheating or trying to injure someone, then I'm okay with that. His eleven guys pushed our eleven guys back for 60 minutes. What's the problem?

[Hog1]

This is big boy football.
The only thing that could possibly make us look more........??????????? useless, and powerless, is to now crybaby about the surly treatment we recieved at the hands of the Pat's. They did us a GREAT favor. They showed us huge weakness's on O line, Our D-line, running game, etc, etc.
Even their DAMN backup QB ran for a TD!
It was a great lesson

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Okay let's be brutally honest for a minute, part of the issue, and correct me if wrong, is that we have a problem with Belichick as an individual and the perception we have him.

Secondly, if this were to happen at the amateur level, then I would lean on the side of calling character and class into question. But this is professional sports. Why is that important to consider here? Because we invest so much of our time and money looking for the best and the brightest. Drilling it into our kids from the time they can run and compete, "win at all costs" Give one hundred percent...leave it on the field. Well, the Pats have a higher standard for those cliches.

You see in the end, we want it both ways. We love to hear at the end of the big games, "no one deserved it more than so and so". But see, that's not the real world. Sometimes classy people win, and I'm okay with that. And sometimes assholes win and win big, and I'm okay with that too. To me "running up the score" isn't the big deal. As long as he wasn't intentionally cheating or trying to injure someone, then I'm okay with that. His eleven guys pushed our eleven guys back for 60 minutes. What's the problem?

we can go on and on about what happened yesterday. Nothing anyone can say or do will change that. Hopefully we can put the many pieces together and put some good games together for the rest of the season. Maybe we can use the ass kicking as motivation for the rest of the season.
Regarding the "running up the score". I personally think that was very classless. I have played sports my entire life, and we are tought when we win, we win with class. What they did yesterday was far from it. In baseball you dont steal bases late in the game when you are up 5 or so runs. if you do, then the next guy is getting plunked in head, and the next guy. show up a pitcher by posing at the plate, and the next guy will pay for that, and when you come up again you will pay. Playing football when you are up that big in the 4th, you dont line up in shotgun and 5 wide and throw balls all over and down the field. If you want to go for it on 4th down, fine, but run the ball. make the D stop you, if they dont, then they dont. But they lined up and threw for the 1st downs from shotgun. The blitzed the balls off late in the game. I thought it was zero class by a coach who has zero class. He was being as ass after the game "what do you want me to do, kick a field goal?" I just wish for about 10 minutes, our coaching staff would have lost their class and made them pay for doing that crap. Unfortunately we dont have coaches like that. Had it been Buddy Ryan, Mike Ditka, Jerry Glanville, ect they would have taken Brady or who ever was taking the snaps out. I would have sent Sean Taylor after Brady every play, would not have cared about the 15 yard penalties, then Landry, then Marcus, then London. Everyone would have taken their shots. Their will come a team, or a player that wont act as classy as us and they will take their shot at him.
I dont like Ray Lewis very much, but do you think he would have stood their and watched this crap take place with out letting the other team know it wasn't going to happen? He would have taken his shot at someone.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

we can go on and on about what happened yesterday. Nothing anyone can say or do will change that. Hopefully we can put the many pieces together and put some good games together for the rest of the season. Maybe we can use the ass kicking as motivation for the rest of the season.
Regarding the "running up the score". I personally think that was very classless. I have played sports my entire life, and we are tought when we win, we win with class. What they did yesterday was far from it. In baseball you dont steal bases late in the game when you are up 5 or so runs. if you do, then the next guy is getting plunked in head, and the next guy. show up a pitcher by posing at the plate, and the next guy will pay for that, and when you come up again you will pay. Playing football when you are up that big in the 4th, you dont line up in shotgun and 5 wide and throw balls all over and down the field. If you want to go for it on 4th down, fine, but run the ball. make the D stop you, if they dont, then they dont. But they lined up and threw for the 1st downs from shotgun. The blitzed the balls off late in the game. I thought it was zero class by a coach who has zero class. He was being as ass after the game "what do you want me to do, kick a field goal?" I just wish for about 10 minutes, our coaching staff would have lost their class and made them pay for doing that crap. Unfortunately we dont have coaches like that. Had it been Buddy Ryan, Mike Ditka, Jerry Glanville, ect they would have taken Brady or who ever was taking the snaps out. I would have sent Sean Taylor after Brady every play, would not have cared about the 15 yard penalties, then Landry, then Marcus, then London. Everyone would have taken their shots. Their will come a team, or a player that wont act as classy as us and they will take their shot at him.
I dont like Ray Lewis very much, but do you think he would have stood their and watched this crap take place with out letting the other team know it wasn't going to happen? He would have taken his shot at someone.

So in baseball a 5 point lead is enough to play safe? I've seen allot of teams score more than 5 points in an inning and would not want my team to sit on a five point lead.

[DieHardSkinsFan777]

What comes around goes around! This will come back to haunt this piece of shit organization, when Brady gets his arm or leg ripped off with a cheap shot!

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Are you married skinsfan69?

No, I'm not married. I DO NOT condone cheating. I just don't tend to judge my friends that have done it. I have friends on the male and female side that have done it. It doesn't make them bad people cause they are not. Maybe some are/were in real bad situations and turned to someone else to make them feel better. Say what you will but it happens all the time in life to good and bad people.

[SmootSmack]

Do you tell your friends you don't condone what they do, or do you just turn the other way and tell them it's all cool? How good a friend are you to them, and them to you?

[jdlea]

I'm not really that upset about it. The Skins knew what they were up against, they're both professional teams and the Skins didn't stop them, plain and simple. All they had to do was make plays, like they are paid to do. It's their own fault, the score got run up because they didn't do their jobs. You deserve whatever you get, you have 3 hours to stop them from doing it, if you can't, you have to deal with it.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Skinsfan:

Just a question - do you're buddies wives know they cheated? Has any of them come clean? How would they feel if their wives cheated on them? If you're married how would you feel if you're wife cheated on you?

How does any of this relate to Belicheck? He is a whiny loser, always has been always will be. If he were treated with the disrespect he shows others, he would institute his own little vendatta and never forget the "wrong" (Eric Mangini anyone?). He sure as hell wouldn't treat the opposing party as someone "just playing football". Part of his whininess is his inability/refusal to admit that his interpretation of "Do unto others" only applies to others. To me this is unmanly and cowardly.

Sure, we have our defense should stop him. The Patriots proved it couldn't. Run the ball and run the clock out.

Of course their wives don't know about it. None of them have come clean and they never will. One guy is a doctor and has two kids and a great wife. But he went to Vegas and got laid by another married women who wanted something different, just like he did. Does that make him a bad human being? No. He felt bad about it but what am I going to do? Not be friends with him?? I've known the guy for 16 years and was in his wedding.

If I were married and my wife cheated and I found out about it I'd be pissed. Who wouldn't?? I'd probably end it. But I have an old saying. What I don't know isn't going to hurt me. It's human nature to want to sleep with someone else and it happens more than you think. Do you think your wife or girlfriend doesn't think about someone else then your sadly mistaken. Whether they act on it is a different story.

Do you know why he hates Mangini so much? Cause Mangini tried to steal Deion Branch for them while he was holding out. That was a classless act on Mangini's part and from what I have heard he burned bridges with the people who gave him his 1st chance in coaching. You didn't see Clev. doing that crap did you?

[Southtown15]

I wish the Pats would of dropped more on us. We obviously need a wake up call and if we are going to be the contenders we claim to be, then we need to get back to Redskins football. Use this as motivation to destroy all that opposes us.

[firstdown]

They started running up the score on their first series.

[Monksdown]

I can handle the loss, i expected it. if not this bad. But i didnt expect going for it on 4th and 1 at the 6, up by 40+, with 8 minutes left. I know Joe wouldnt do it.

Bill Belichick is forever on my shit list, up there with any Dallas Cowboy.

He's a cheater, he harbors cheaters(harrison), and he's a poor winner. It's going to come back and bite him in the ass one day. And i'll be watching.

Randall Godfrey is my homey for life. I support his public statements about it. And i attack Mike and Mike in the morning for putting Randal up for their "just shut up" award. Watch the end of that game, and you'll know what we're talking about faggots. We're not just complaining because we lost.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Do you tell your friends you don't condone what they do, or do you just turn the other way and tell them it's all cool? How good a friend are you to them, and them to you?

These guys are some of my best friends that I have known since childhood. Lifetime friends. I know if we plan a golf trip or a Vegas trip then something is going to happen. That is just how it is with some of these guys. They want to get away and get something "new." And to be honest, we meet married women all the time that are willing to have some weekend fun. I use to bartend during my college years and it really opened my eyes up to how some women really are. To this day I trust very few of them.

I just turn the other way and I just choose not to make comments. It's their business if they want to fool around not mine and I don't make it my business. They talk to me about it sometimes. The only thing I say is why did you do it in the first place?? But other than that I just don't say much.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

we can go on and on about what happened yesterday. Nothing anyone can say or do will change that. Hopefully we can put the many pieces together and put some good games together for the rest of the season. Maybe we can use the ass kicking as motivation for the rest of the season.
Regarding the "running up the score". I personally think that was very classless. I have played sports my entire life, and we are tought when we win, we win with class. What they did yesterday was far from it. In baseball you dont steal bases late in the game when you are up 5 or so runs. if you do, then the next guy is getting plunked in head, and the next guy. show up a pitcher by posing at the plate, and the next guy will pay for that, and when you come up again you will pay. Playing football when you are up that big in the 4th, you dont line up in shotgun and 5 wide and throw balls all over and down the field. If you want to go for it on 4th down, fine, but run the ball. make the D stop you, if they dont, then they dont. But they lined up and threw for the 1st downs from shotgun. The blitzed the balls off late in the game. I thought it was zero class by a coach who has zero class. He was being as ass after the game "what do you want me to do, kick a field goal?" I just wish for about 10 minutes, our coaching staff would have lost their class and made them pay for doing that crap. Unfortunately we dont have coaches like that. Had it been Buddy Ryan, Mike Ditka, Jerry Glanville, ect they would have taken Brady or who ever was taking the snaps out. I would have sent Sean Taylor after Brady every play, would not have cared about the 15 yard penalties, then Landry, then Marcus, then London. Everyone would have taken their shots. Their will come a team, or a player that wont act as classy as us and they will take their shot at him.
I dont like Ray Lewis very much, but do you think he would have stood their and watched this crap take place with out letting the other team know it wasn't going to happen? He would have taken his shot at someone.

wait a minute, wait a minute...like I told someone a few minutes ago, we had 60 minutes to send these guys after brady and couldn't get it done. no reason to think that because we're pissed at them for running up the score, we would all of a sudden get a good shot on brady.

i guess we have different definitions of "class" though.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

These guys are some of my best friends that I have known since childhood. Lifetime friends. I know if we plan a golf trip or a Vegas trip then something is going to happen. That is just how it is with some of these guys. They want to get away and get something "new." And to be honest, we meet married women all the time that are willing to have some weekend fun. I use to bartend during my college years and it really opened my eyes up to how some women really are. To this day I trust very few of them.

I just turn the other way and I just choose not to make comments. It's their business if they want to fool around not mine and I don't make it my business. They talk to me about it sometimes. The only thing I say is why did you do it in the first place?? But other than that I just don't say much.

Have you decided not to get married because you know you would do the same as your friends, and you don't want to be like that?

I'm not even sure why this interests me. I'm just curious to know why someone would say it's ok for their married friends (who are also fathers correct?) to cheat? But at the same time you don't condone cheating.