Classless Coach Belichick

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Or maybe it's the reason why everyone thinks the Pats lack class. It's akin to beating a guy in a boxing match and then just stomping on his head as he sits there motionless. Sorry, but that's a punk move.

Also, FYI 4-3 is above .500.

Finally, I'm tired of hearing people say that we are crying like babies for calling the Pats out for showing no class. I'm not crying, I'm pissed. Perhaps you cry when you are angry, but I don't.

SBF, here's where I split with the masses on this issue. In your example, and trust me I'm not trying to nit pick here, but you said if a guy is down and get's stomped (paraphrase after two glasses of wine), then that's a classless act. I agree there. I think classless, by my own definition, is when the other guy can't do anything about it or there is clear disadvantage. Sure, BB in his heart probably has ill intentions not entirely directed at the Redskins or coach Gibbs, mind you, but there was no clear disadvangtage on our part. So I don't really see where he was being so classless. Is he bitter? Perhaps. Classless, I don't know.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Or maybe it's the reason why everyone thinks the Pats lack class. It's akin to beating a guy in a boxing match and then just stomping on his head as he sits there motionless. Sorry, but that's a punk move.

Also, FYI 4-3 is above .500.

Finally, I'm tired of hearing people say that we are crying like babies for calling the Pats out for showing no class. I'm not crying, I'm pissed. Perhaps you cry when you are angry, but I don't.

We're seeing eye to eye on this one. While I do agree that it's our job to stop them, having Brady in the game and going for it on 4th down when it's 42-0 and their on the 40-something yard line is a total punk move.

Numerous players, including LT, just about the classiest guy around, has called out Belichick for this kinda stuff. Oh yeah, he also cheats and then lies about it. I'm really pissed too. Frankly I'd like punch him straight in his smug little smirk. Assbag.

At the same time, I think we have a massive amount of work to do. We all knew going into this game our offense had and continues to have major issues. Now we lose Rogers for the year and get completely trampled on D?? If some things don't start changing I could definitely see us ending up as an average, .500 team.

[724Skinsfan]

Running up the score is definitely classless. Once you've shown your opponent that the game is decided in your favor you back off, put in your replacements and let the game finish. That's learned by most humans in Little League Sports 101.

I can't say I was/am pissed about it, I know some people are just naturally weak and can't control the urge to rub it in...that's life. We all run into these types of peole in just about every facet of life. Best thing to do is pay him no mind. I do feel annoyed and dissappointed simply because there are probably more than a few kids in the Boston area that will learn from this and think it's okay. Oh well, there's a correlation to more time spent on the field and injuries suffered. Play your guys when you don't to and you can be sure sooner or later a knee will blow out or a shoulder will seperate or....

[Beemnseven]

I have no problem with the Patriots offense doing what offenses are supposed to do -- score points. It is not the job of any offense to deliberately not make it into the endzone just to make the opposing team feel better.

If you don't want the score to be run up then stop them, or shut up.

How about this... if a team that is ahead by an absurd margin agrees not to "run up the score", should the other team also agree not to try to score?

[Prop13]

Classless or not, I would think running up the score would be dangerous. ...for your quarterback. I would think that eventually somebody's gonna go Buddy Ryan on your ass.

I mean, if I'm the Jets or Miami--two teams that have all but given up on the season--why would I go out there and embarrass myself in front of my fans against a team that totally outclasses me and fully intends to run up the score? At some point, when a coach is watchin' the film, it has to occur to him that his best chance of winning, rather, his best chance of not getting completely embarrassed is to knock Tom Brady out of the game.

I mean, if I'm the coach of a marginal team, a guy who may or may not be on the hot seat anyway, what's worst?

A) Getting the score run up on you in front of your home crowd.
B) The opposition ridiculing you by putting their defense in as offense.
C) Both A and B
D) Taking a fifteen yard penalty and breaking Tom Brady's legs.

I think Buddy Ryan would opt for the latter. It only takes one coach to come to that conclusion. The Pats have a bunch more games to play, some of them against their division rivals, and it only takes one--just one coach--to say, "I'm not gonna let that happen to me."

Belichick is gonna take Tom Brady out of the game after they run up the score, so if you want to stop that from happening, logic says you're gonna have to take care of Tom Brady before he runs up the score.

Things happen in games. Players get ejected. Players get suspended--it happens all the time. Every week some players get hurt. If they have a penalty for something, in a way, it's part of the game. It wouldn't be the first time a quarterback's leg was broken.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Prop13

Classless or not, I would think running up the score would be dangerous. ...for your quarterback. I would think that eventually somebody's gonna go Buddy Ryan on your ass.

I mean, if I'm the Jets or Miami--two teams that have all but given up on the season--why would I go out there and embarrass myself in front of my fans against a team that totally outclasses me and fully intends to run up the score? At some point, when a coach is watchin' the film, it has to occur to him that his best chance of winning, rather, his best chance of not getting completely embarrassed is to knock Tom Brady out of the game.

I mean, if I'm the coach of a marginal team, a guy who may or may not be on the hot seat anyway, what's worst?

A) Getting the score run up on you in front of your home crowd.
B) The opposition ridiculing you by putting their defense in as offense.
C) Both A and B
D) Taking a fifteen yard penalty and breaking Tom Brady's legs.

I think Buddy Ryan would opt for the latter. It only takes one coach to come to that conclusion. The Pats have a bunch more games to play, some of them against their division rivals, and it only takes one--just one coach--to say, "I'm not gonna let that happen to me."

Belichick is gonna take Tom Brady out of the game after they run up the score, so if you want to stop that from happening, logic says you're gonna have to take care of Tom Brady before he runs up the score.

Things happen in games. Players get ejected. Players get suspended--it happens all the time. Every week some players get hurt. If they have a penalty for something, in a way, it's part of the game. It wouldn't be the first time a quarterback's leg was broken.

I personally would love to see some DE rub Brady's face in the turf so hard he can never again be the Stetson Man. That team makes me ill.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I have no problem with the Patriots offense doing what offenses are supposed to do -- score points. It is not the job of any offense to deliberately not make it into the endzone just to make the opposing team feel better.

If you don't want the score to be run up then stop them, or shut up.

How about this... if a team that is ahead by an absurd margin agrees not to "run up the score", should the other team also agree not to try to score?

Or how about this: leave your starters in and risk a desperate defense seriously injuring your star player. After all, what would they have to lose at that point? Classless? Possibly, but if an offense is there to score points, the defense is there to stop them.

[CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR]

stop being pissed at the pats for doing what they are suppose to do is score. Maybe everyone should be pissed at the skins for sucking so bad on sunday. maybe the guys should have fought alittle harder. Instead of rolling over and taking it from the pats. Take a late hit on brady maybe hmm. The skins showed no fight. And for your FYI im saying at best were going to be again is .500. We will lose to Dallas twice and the giants again and the bears, and the bills or the bucs, so that is .500.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR

stop being pissed at the pats for doing what they are suppose to do is score. Maybe everyone should be pissed at the skins for sucking so bad on sunday. maybe the guys should have fought alittle harder. Instead of rolling over and taking it from the pats. Take a late hit on brady maybe hmm. The skins showed no fight. And for your FYI im saying at best were going to be again is .500. We will lose to Dallas twice and the giants again and the bears, and the bills or the bucs, so that is .500.

I love your confidence.

[henry12portis26]

Originally Posted by carbofisk

Run up the score? ... What you're saying is, the Patriots were kicking your ass in every conceivable way, and so you wish they'd have just stopped playing. ... Maybe if you'd have cried really, really loud, they would have.

Here's an idea: Play some defense. ... And where was that defense of yours, anyway? ... Whatever -- thanks for dropping by Foxborough. ... And thanks for rolling over like the JV and getting blown out. ... Allowed us to leave early, get to a bar in plenty of time to watch the Red Sox win the World Series. ... It must suck not being a Boston sports fan right now.

Wow... Here's an idea: Get a life ... is ur life that dull u gotta join a skins fan site a bitch to all their fans... u further solidify the statement that the patriots have no class ... I guess it extends out to their fans havin' no class too

[TheBigD]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Or maybe it's the reason why everyone thinks the Pats lack class. It's akin to beating a guy in a boxing match and then just stomping on his head as he sits there motionless. Sorry, but that's a punk move.

I was listening to the John Thompson Show on sports talk 980 and he was saying what I was thinking. Be quiet and play, why beg for mercy. He gave examples of the Skins running the score on the Giants and their 45-0 win against Detroit years back. Why do overpaid men want sports teams to take it easy one them? I am not too fond of the Redskins, obviously, but I really wanted them to beat the crap out of NE. I wanted the Skins D to beat up on Brady. The whole week leading up to it, it was our safties this and our safeties that. How can they let Brady their back up QB score running TDs?

BTW, the example you gave doesn't apply to this situation. The game was not over, maybe the Redskins thought it was but it actually wasn't.

Finally, I'm tired of hearing people say that we are crying like babies for calling the Pats out for showing no class. I'm not crying, I'm pissed. Perhaps you cry when you are angry, but I don't.

I think you are not getting it right. In this case, crying is more like whining. I have no problem people here whining, but players, come on.

[mike340]

For me the Patriots will always be about the snow plow. That was the first (obvious) incident of cheating.
More recently, there's the taping.
And was I the only one who noticed (sorry I don't have much time to read all the posts) that we had no communication from upstairs in Foxboro for much of the first half? Is it possible on the series of plays where the game got out of hand (3 consecutive series with turnovers) we had no commuication from upstairs? Were the Patriots so desperate as to pull this stunt? Of course, even if they would have had limited communication (probably not) due to the rules, they still would have been prepared for it since they probably engineered it. Would we have won the game? Probably not. Would it have changed the complexion of the game. Certainly.

On a side note: Why have I never seen these short slants (the high-percentage passes I'm always talking about) run by our offense. We NEVER are going downfield when we catch the short passes.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by TheBigD

I think you are not getting it right. In this case, crying is more like whining. I have no problem people here whining, but players, come on.

First of all, Godfrey was the only one who said anything, and the dude's a veteran. I believe he used to wear your colors, hmmm...

Second, the other players and the coaches all said "the right thing" and said they didn't do enough to stop the Pats. So let's not start projecting a bunch of message board angst onto the team. But don't get it twisted, either -- everyone on that team knows what New England did to them, and everyone on the Patriots knows full well what they are doing to other teams. I'll say it again, karma is a bitch.

Third, there are PLENTY of people who are not Redskins fans who have called this what it is, and it's running up the score. We can all argue over whether sports commentators know what the hell they're talking about or not, but there's really no question that most commentators outside of Boston are taking notice of what this team is doing. I've even read some stories from the Boston media that refer to it as Belichick "raising a middle finger to the NFL".

And let's not forget that during the Ol' Ball Coach's brief run, we were accused of running up the score in that exhibition game.

CJOnline.com | Handheld Version | Spurrier answering questions about running up score 08/07/02

I thought it was an arrogant and tacky move then when we did it, and I think it's arrogant and tacky now. When the day comes that a key player gets injured late in a game where they're pulling this BS, you better believe the second-guessing will start flying.

[dmek25]

if i remember correctly about that 45-0 game against Detroit, i know the skins defense scored the last touchdown, and the skins starters sat the entire 4th quarter. and i know for a fact that coach didn't go for any 4 and 2s in the second half. and big d, are you telling me the game wasn't over when the score was 38-0? come on, lets get real

[12thMan]

Not to resurface this thread again, but I get the feeling that teams are going to start taking shots at Brady late in the game.